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laststop@96 · 24 Feb 2019

goldisgood said:
I believe that Stagecoach's buses on the X25s have seatbelts. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

If they do it just proves how wrong other operators are for using these urban buses on express work without seat belts.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/urban-buses-on-motorways/urban-buses-on-motorways

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goldisgood · 24 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
If they do it just proves how wrong other operators are for using these urban buses on express work without seat belts.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/urban-buses-on-motorways/urban-buses-on-motorways

It looks like urban buses can be used on motorways. I think that the X25 etc use buses with seatbelts because the buses replaced coaches.

Buses that have been approved or certified to carry standing passengers in accordance with national or European construction rules are not restricted on which roads they can use.

overthewater · 24 Feb 2019

Not this again...................

laststop@96 · 24 Feb 2019

goldisgood said:
It looks like urban buses can be used on motorways. I think that the X25 etc use buses with seatbelts because the buses replaced coaches.

They should change the law then here,s what happened with a driver in hong kong speeding in a double decker with no seat belts. Would seat belt have helped ?.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hong_Kong_bus_accident

Stef434 · 24 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
e300 and e400 are classed as urban buses and should not be used on express services like firsts x1,x3,x85, and the one service also stagecoach x19 and x25.
https://www.childcarseats.org.uk/the-law/other-vehicles-buses-coaches-and-minibuses/

So...would you now pass the onus on operators to ensure that all passengers wear seatbelts prior to moving from a bus stop
the the classification of urban buses to express buses is very much open to which the manufacture sells buses to the operator I,e this is an urban bus and cant be used on ex services ...what if a passenger says not wearing seat belt what you gonnae do sit all day... lose mileage transfer pax etc....
Operators would steer clear of a manufacture if he said ..sorry mate this is an urban bus only aye rightio mate

laststop@96 · 24 Feb 2019

Stef434 said:
So...would you now pass the onus on operators to ensure that all passengers wear seatbelts prior to moving from a bus stop
the the classification of urban buses to express buses is very much open to which the manufacture sells buses to the operator I,e this is an urban bus and cant be used on ex services ...what if a passenger says not wearing seat belt what you gonnae do sit all day... lose mileage transfer pax etc....
Operators would steer clear of a manufacture if he said ..sorry mate this is an urban bus only aye rightio mate

If the seat belt is there you have a choice like you have in a car,taxi or coach in the urban bus only the driver has got the choice?.

Stef434 · 24 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
If the seat belt is there you have a choice like you have in a car,taxi or coach in the urban bus the driver has got the choice?.

I understand the importance of seat belts BUT an operator would be at ends to ask a driver to make sure all passengers are waring belts prior to take off.

As for manufactures they would not sell buses to operators if they specified ..sorry mate this bus can be used on express services urban only ..

The ADL/FIG issue wouldn't have happened if the manufacture had supplied the perfect bus ,Don't always blame the operator The ybuy a bus that was sold on the pretence that its good to go unless its :Factual Admin

laststop@96 · 24 Feb 2019

Stef434 said:
I understand the importance of seat belts BUT an operator would be at ends to ask a driver to make sure all passengers are waring belts prior to take off.

As for manufactures they would not sell buses to operators if they specified ..sorry mate this bus can be used on express services urban only ..
The ADL/FIG issue wouldn't have happened if the manufacture had supplied the perfect bus ,Don't always blame the operator The ybuy a bus that was sold on the pretence that its good to go unless its :Factual Admin

Not the drivers problem the public want to use it fine there choice my problem is not having the choice and sitting on a bus on motorway or expressway bus doing 50+mph with not having a choice .I would say you don,t need seat belts for buses for doing 30mph and under. How many buses go over 30mph on there route in glasgow not many.

JumpinTrainz · 24 Feb 2019

I think for sure vehical suitability is a bit off sometimes. I don’t think the E300s are very suited to the 1 service. I find them to be less sturdy than previous stock like the PS buses and the Scania’s. They have good comfort but I think the B8RLE would have been better suited for the loads it receives. Or better still make them less light or with bigger wheels.

Same on Express services, I don’t think the E400MMCs are good express buses I think the intent was for them to be city buses and due to the stop/start they were very quickly and last minute cascaded to operate motorway services. I feel Gemini’s would work better on motorway run services. It’ll be good to see the E400City buses on the 500 as the smaller E200MMCs I don’t think were a good idea either. Just my opinion.

Stef434 · 24 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
If the seat belt is there you have a choice like you have in a car,taxi or coach in the urban bus only the driver has got the choice?.

This is true only a driver has the choice ..I bet your btm dollar every FG/other OPCO bus will be sitting at its first terminal point and the network crashes OR will the Operator make you obtain disclosures when you purchase a ticket and comply with the operators TCs

laststop@96 · 24 Feb 2019

JumpinTrainz said:
I think for sure vehical suitability is a bit off sometimes. I don’t think the E300s are very suited to the 1 service. I find them to be less sturdy than previous stock like the PS buses and the Scania’s. They have good comfort but I think the B8RLE would have been better suited for the loads it receives. Or better still make them less light or with bigger wheels.

Same on Express services, I don’t think the E400MMCs are good express buses I think the intent was for them to be city buses and due to the stop/start they were very quickly and last minute cascaded to operate motorway services. I feel Gemini’s would work better on motorway run services. It’ll be good to see the E400City buses on the 500 as the smaller E200MMCs I don’t think were a good idea either. Just my opinion.

The 500 airport service should be coach operated like the low floor ones stagecoach got for x51 dunfermline to glasgow service.

Gingerbus1991 · 24 Feb 2019

laststop@96 said:
The 500 airport service should be coach operated like the low floor ones stagecoach got for x51 dunfermline to glasgow service.

The luggage compartment on the Panther LE's is s**t to say the least.

overthewater · 24 Feb 2019

The Panther LE were never designed to operate routes with large amount of luggage, Hence why the X51, X55 and x56. And if the rumors are true, The X54 getting them in this years fleet order??? 15th coach built last year has been traveling around the UK with Red seats, no idea who trailed it. Red Arrow with trent or X1 with First Norwich could be good routes to try.

TheGrandWazoo · 24 Feb 2019

overthewater said:
The Panther LE were never designed to operate routes with large amount of luggage, Hence why the X51, X55 and x56. And if the rumors are true, The X54 getting them in this years fleet order??? 15th coach built last year has been traveling around the UK with Red seats, no idea who trailed it. Red Arrow with trent or X1 with First Norwich could be good routes to try.

53 seaters to replace deckers on the XL (Peterborough to Norwich)? Doubt it

overthewater · 24 Feb 2019

TheGrandWazoo said:
53 seaters to replace deckers on the XL (Peterborough to Norwich)? Doubt it

Are there always full? I just can't think of other routes around the UK that could get them? Ie needs a coach but not the luggage..

90sWereBetter · 24 Feb 2019

overthewater said:
Are there always full? I just can't think of other routes around the UK that could get them? Ie needs a coach but not the luggage..

The X1/XL has had deckers for almost 11 years now, going back to coaches would be a ridiculous retrograde step. Both sections of the route are hammered day in day out.

goldisgood · 24 Feb 2019

90sWereBetter said:
The X1/XL has had deckers for almost 11 years now, going back to coaches would be a ridiculous retrograde step. Both sections of the route are hammered day in day out.

Every 20 minutes if possible (Norwich to Peterborough)? Or would that be overkill. Maintains the same number of seats but gives a higher level of comfort and convenience.

EMU303 · 24 Feb 2019

Buses magazine reports that Scottish Government 8th round of green bus funding will contribute to F Glasgow purchasing a “further” 125 E400s. Does this include some of the new buses already delivered or being delivered, or does it mean yet more new buses?
Also references 3 BYD / E200 single deckers for Glasgow Airport.

JumpinTrainz · 24 Feb 2019

EMU303 said:
Buses magazine reports that Scottish Government 8th round of green bus funding will contribute to F Glasgow purchasing a “further” 125 E400s. Does this include some of the new buses already delivered or being delivered, or does it mean yet more new buses?
Also references 3 BYD / E200 single deckers for Glasgow Airport.

It would be good to see a huge decker order like that come to Glasgow to finally oust a lot of their much older stock (ie 03/53 plate tridents, B7TLs).

New singles would be good too across the board. It’s odd that the B7RLEs are being moved from Overtown to Caledonia when they aren’t actually being converted. I would like to see new E200MMCs and some E400MMCs on the 2 which would allow the current E200s and E300s to transfer to the likes of Caledonia and Scotstoun.

TheGrandWazoo · 24 Feb 2019

goldisgood said:
Every 20 minutes if possible (Norwich to Peterborough)? Or would that be overkill. Maintains the same number of seats but gives a higher level of comfort and convenience.

So if the current services are busy and require deckers currently, why would you increase the number of journeys from 2 to 3 bph just to have the same capacity?

KendalKing · 25 Feb 2019

TheGrandWazoo said:
So if the current services are busy and require deckers currently, why would you increase the number of journeys from 2 to 3 bph just to have the same capacity?

Then there the other problem, would there be space of the extra vehicles in the depot.

clc · 25 Feb 2019

EMU303 said:
Buses magazine reports that Scottish Government 8th round of green bus funding will contribute to F Glasgow purchasing a “further” 125 E400s. Does this include some of the new buses already delivered or being delivered, or does it mean yet more new buses?
Also references 3 BYD / E200 single deckers for Glasgow Airport.

It relates to the announcement made in December: -

https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/over-1-million-to-help-green-buses/

https://www.transport.gov.scot/public-transport/buses/scottish-green-bus-fund/#45456

JumpinTrainz · 25 Feb 2019

clc said:
It relates to the announcement made in December: -

https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/over-1-million-to-help-green-buses/

https://www.transport.gov.scot/public-transport/buses/scottish-green-bus-fund/#45456

I’m confused aren’t the E400City buses going on the 500 and the E200MMCs which are currently on it are going First Cymru?

SarahDFIG · 26 Feb 2019

The 125 in grant 8 is what else Glasgow is to expect I believe looking at the articles. So possibly next year's order will consist of 125 vehicles.

JumpinTrainz said:
I’m confused aren’t the E400City buses going on the 500 and the E200MMCs which are currently on it are going First Cymru?

They e400s are yes. The 3 e200s byds in the article are for Glasgow Airport not first. Still not 100% where the e200s from the airport are going but Cymru has been mentioned a good few times. The one thing for sure is that they are leaving Glasgow.

In other news more ALXs scrapped and a president.

32999, 33343/45/48

JumpinTrainz · 26 Feb 2019

SarahDFIG said:
The 125 in grant 8 is what else Glasgow is to expect I believe looking at the articles. So possibly next year's order will consist of 125 vehicles.

They e400s are yes. The 3 e200s byds in the article are for Glasgow Airport not first. Still not 100% where the e200s from the airport are going but Cymru has been mentioned a good few times. The one thing for sure is that they are leaving Glasgow.

In other news more ALXs scrapped and a president.

32999, 33343/45/48

Do we know what’s going to happen with the 60 at all? Most of the 60 is made up of ALX400s and they seem to be scrapping them at quite a fast rate.

overthewater · 26 Feb 2019

Are the Alx400 really get scraped? surly someone could use them?

SarahDFIG · 26 Feb 2019

JumpinTrainz said:
Do we know what’s going to happen with the 60 at all? Most of the 60 is made up of ALX400s and they seem to be scrapping them at quite a fast rate.

Sorry no information but not all alx400s are being scrapped. As previously said only a handful.

overthewater said:
Are the Alx400 really get scraped? surly someone could use them?

The ones being scrapped are the worst of the batch. Won't be much more being scrapped

JumpinTrainz · 26 Feb 2019

SarahDFIG said:
Sorry no information but not all alx400s are being scrapped. As previously said only a handful.

The ones being scrapped are the worst of the batch. Won't be much more being scrapped

I always thought they’d be transferred again given that they received (and perhaps still are receiving) a repaint in the old Olympia. Seems odd to do that when buses of the same age are getting the urban livery. They aren’t bad buses but they’re dated now and they’ve been hammered on the 60 need I say more....

route101 · 26 Feb 2019

JumpinTrainz said:
I always thought they’d be transferred again given that they received (and perhaps still are receiving) a repaint in the old Olympia. Seems odd to do that when buses of the same age are getting the urban livery. They aren’t bad buses but they’re dated now and they’ve been hammered on the 60 need I say more....

They feel a lot more solid than the tridents for sure . Yeah the 60 gets all sorts . I sometimes wait for a 61 over a 240 and 2 to the forge for a decker .

Jordan Adam · 26 Feb 2019

route101 said:
They feel a lot more solid than the tridents for sure . Yeah the 60 gets all sorts . I sometimes wait for a 61 over a 240 and 2 to the forge for a decker .

I assume you mean Presidents seeing as the ALX400s are also on the Trident chassis?

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