Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

traji00 · 7 Feb 2019

2404 and 2411 just left Wimbledon on 5Q39 Wimbledon Park - Bournemouth

RailUK Forums

HeelBurton · 16 Feb 2019

442 courses for Waterloo imminent.... 24/02..... I will try to keep you all updated (I won’t be learning them)

TEW · 16 Feb 2019

However guard's training is simply 'delayed'. Don't think we will be seeing them in service any time soon.

K.o.R · 18 Feb 2019

I've noticed that one of the 442s in Fratton yard has the first class yellow stripe at both ends. Aren't they meant to have the same layout as the 444s?

Monty · 18 Feb 2019

K.o.R said:
I've noticed that one of the 442s in Fratton yard has the first class yellow stripe at both ends. Aren't they meant to have the same layout as the 444s?

Yes, it's an error. Will be corrected with the unit is refurbished.

K.o.R · 18 Feb 2019

Monty said:
Yes, it's an error. Will be corrected with the unit is refurbished.

Maybe change it to orange, and carry on the length of the train?

swt_passenger · 18 Feb 2019

K.o.R said:
I've noticed that one of the 442s in Fratton yard has the first class yellow stripe at both ends. Aren't they meant to have the same layout as the 444s?

It’s an obvious error and was first pointed out a couple of months ago, posts 2861 and 2864 referred.

lj9090 · 25 Feb 2019

Just saw.. something.. pass by whilst waiting for my train.

Took me a while to work out what it was, despite a new livery it still looks quite old and tired. Looking at RTT it's heading from Bournemouth to Fratton.

moley · 25 Feb 2019

So can anyone identify what units are working 1P20, 0712 Portsmouth Harbour to Waterloo?

This service was formed off the ECS move from Bournemouth.

Monty · 25 Feb 2019

moley said:
So can anyone identify what units are working 1P20, 0712 Portsmouth Harbour to Waterloo?

This service was formed off the ECS move from Bournemouth.

Don't know, but it won't be a 442..more likely a 450 or a 444.

pompeyfan · 25 Feb 2019

It’s a 12.450 but I believe the unit diagram is LTP as a 442.

Don Steedy · 25 Feb 2019

lj9090 said:
Just saw.. something.. pass by whilst waiting for my train.

Took me a while to work out what it was, despite a new livery it still looks quite old and tired. Looking at RTT it's heading from Bournemouth to Fratton.

2413, and 2423 on its first run since entering storage

VEP3417 · 26 Feb 2019

i drove past bournemouth depot last week and there where a couple in there that had started to be painted in a new livery, looked a bit like the old southern livery/white/black/green and there was a class 73 in there as well, shame i couldnt photograph them at the time

SWRtrain_fan · 26 Feb 2019

Don Steedy said:
2413, and 2423 on its first run

So are the 442s now in passenger service?

TEW · 26 Feb 2019

No, still a while off.

Dren Ahmeti · 26 Feb 2019

pompeyfan said:
It’s a 12.450 but I believe the unit diagram is LTP as a 442.

It’s actually in the CWN as 10x442!

Bigfoot · 27 Feb 2019

Dren Ahmeti said:
It’s actually in the CWN as 10x442!

It would be as they're all diagramed to work in pairs...

Matt Taylor · 28 Feb 2019

Guard training at Fratton is now booked to start the week after next, it will take a few weeks before enough guards are trained for services to start.

Railengineer · 28 Feb 2019

This is SO exciting...the 442's are coming back to the Portsmouth line with all the benefits of the old traction system - Slow acceleration, clunky camshafts, struggling to get up steep inclines, losing power. Plus the benefits of refurbed interior - Cold seats, less room, narrow walkways.......I can't wait.
Anyone know if SWR are putting extra bodies on the complaints hotline ready for the service introduction?

TEW · 28 Feb 2019

There will be no complaints from the Portsmouth Line users, they're not painted blue.

Railengineer · 2 Mar 2019

TEW said:
There will be no complaints from the Portsmouth Line users, they're not painted blue.

That would be funny if it wasn't true!

Goldfish62 · 2 Mar 2019

Railengineer said:
This is SO exciting...the 442's are coming back to the Portsmouth line with all the benefits of the old traction system - Slow acceleration, clunky camshafts, struggling to get up steep inclines, losing power. Plus the benefits of refurbed interior - Cold seats, less room, narrow walkways.......I can't wait.
Anyone know if SWR are putting extra bodies on the complaints hotline ready for the service introduction?

They're retaining the standard class Chapman seats. Not sure how you deduce that the gangways are narrow.

DelW · 3 Mar 2019

Goldfish62 said:
They're retaining the standard class Chapman seats. Not sure how you deduce that the gangways are narrow.

They certainly oughtn't to be as narrow as on the 3+2 seat 450s. The main complaints from Portsmouth line passengers are about the 3+2 layout and (to a lesser extent) the 1/3 and 2/3 door positions, so at least in those respects the 442s will be an improvement.

moley · 3 Mar 2019

Not sure I’ve heard the Pompey Line complaining about the door positions. If the 450s has 2+2 like the 350s then the problem would’ve not arisen.

MatthewRead · 3 Mar 2019

Goldfish62 said:
They're retaining the standard class Chapman seats. Not sure how you deduce that the gangways are narrow.

They're grammar seats actually.

Bob M · 3 Mar 2019

1/3 2/3 doors aren't suitable for long journeys with multiple stops, especially in winter. We have the same problem now on the Cardiff-Portsmouth service with class 166 trains.

_toommm_ · 3 Mar 2019

Bob M said:
1/3 2/3 doors aren't suitable for long journeys with multiple stops, especially in winter. We have the same problem now on the Cardiff-Portsmouth service with class 166 trains.

Class 166s in Cardiff? Do you mean 170s, or have I missed something major?

700007 · 3 Mar 2019

_toommm_ said:
Class 166s in Cardiff? Do you mean 170s, or have I missed something major?

Class 166s have started operating the Cardiff to Portsmouth service since the Autumn as part of the Turbo transfer programme.

Railengineer · 3 Mar 2019

DelW said:
They certainly oughtn't to be as narrow as on the 3+2 seat 450s. The main complaints from Portsmouth line passengers are about the 3+2 layout and (to a lesser extent) the 1/3 and 2/3 door positions, so at least in those respects the 442s will be an improvement.

Debating the definition of 'narrow'.......really?

Goldfish62 · 3 Mar 2019

Railengineer said:
Debating the definition of 'narrow'.......really?

Why not? An earlier post suggested that the aisles on 442s are narrow.

Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

Member

RailUK Forums

Member

Established Member

Member

Established Member

Member

Veteran Member

Member

Member

Established Member

Established Member

Member

Member

Member

Established Member

Member

Member

Established Member

Member

Established Member

Member

Established Member

Established Member

Member

On Moderation

Member

Established Member

Established Member

Member

Established Member