all line rover ticket

freelander · 23 Aug 2018

Hi all, looking for some advice, I will be purchasing an all line rover ticket (first class) with a railcard, I am aware that time restriction on the use of a railcard. but what if I wanted to catch an earlier train.
1,would I have to pay the full fare even though I will still be on the train when the railcard comes into force
2, or could I pay difference to the station when the card comes into play.
any suggestion ??

freelander

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221129 · 23 Aug 2018

freelander said:
Hi all, looking for some advice, I will be purchasing an all line rover ticket (first class) with a railcard, I am aware that time restriction on the use of a railcard. but what if I wanted to catch an earlier train.
1,would I have to pay the full fare even though I will still be on the train when the railcard comes into force
2, or could I pay difference to the station when the card comes into play.
any suggestion ??

freelander

What railcard is it?

freelander · 23 Aug 2018

221129 said:
What railcard is it?

senior

221129 · 23 Aug 2018

freelander said:
senior

The Railcard time restrictions only apply for journies wholly within the London South East area. The only time restrictions you need to worry about are those that come with the ticket.

Hadders · 23 Aug 2018

221129 said:
The Railcard time restrictions only apply for journies wholly within the London South East area. The only time restrictions you need to worry about are those that come with the ticket.

To be precise the restrictions apply to journeys wholly within the Network Railcard area.

extendedpaul · 23 Aug 2018

Hadders said:
To be precise the restrictions apply to journeys wholly within the Network Railcard area.

I appreciate the OP is in Cheshire but if someone is travelling on an All Line Rover ticket with a Senior Railcard how can it be established whether their journey is wholly within the Network Railcard area ?

Surely many weekday journeys using the All Line Rover may start early morning in the railcard-restricted area but have a final intended destination elsewhere and how can that "intention" be disproved ?

MrCub · 23 Aug 2018

Last year, I did a first class ALR (no railcard). Those silly 10am rules got in the way a few times. On a couple of days, I muddled myself and found myself about to make a trip that was not permitted because of the time, typically leaving London, on lightly loaded intercity services. Each time, I approached the guard/TM on the platform. Without exception the response was along the lines of "At least you've had the decency to ask beforehand; it's fine - no problem; jump on!"

I'm not suggesting for one minute you should rely on such discretion....

Silver Cobra · 23 Aug 2018

MrCub said:
Last year, I did a first class ALR (no railcard). Those silly 10am rules got in the way a few times. On a couple of days, I muddled myself and found myself about to make a trip that was not permitted because of the time, typically leaving London, on lightly loaded intercity services. Each time, I approached the guard/TM on the platform. Without exception the response was along the lines of "At least you've had the decency to ask beforehand; it's fine - no problem; jump on!"

I'm not suggesting for one minute you should rely on such discretion....

I was in a similar situation when travelling from Kings Cross on a first class ALR three weeks ago. My original plan to get around the problem was using the 0726 Hull Trains up to Hull for onward travel to Bridlington, but the service barely moved along the platform before it was cancelled due to a speedometer fault. As much as ticket acceptance was being organised with LNER for HT passengers, I wasn't confident enough to hop on an LNER service with no proof that I was originally intending to travel on the cancelled HT service (I had no seat reservation for the HT service; just the ALR), so it felt like I was either going to be stuck at the Cross for a long while or have to spend a long time travelling up to Peterborough on Thameslink/Great Northern services, which would mess up my overall plan for the day. Thankfully, I spotted the 0806 Grand Central service to Sunderland a few platforms further over, and took that up to York and then travelled onward to Scarborough, saving the journey to Bridlington via Hull for another day.

terryc · 26 Feb 2019

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Having had a great experience using a 7 day all line rover ticket a couple of years back, I'm planning to do the same again shortly. However, this time the first day of my travel is likely to be on a Sunday, and my local station ticket office is not always manned on the Sabbath, so my question is if this indeed proves to be the case, can I purchase this ticket from the guard once I board? (I'm assuming that Northern TVM's cannot provide this service... unless someone knows to the contrary?)
Thanks

221129 · 26 Feb 2019

terryc said:
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Having had a great experience using a 7 day all line rover ticket a couple of years back, I'm planning to do the same again shortly. However, this time the first day of my travel is likely to be on a Sunday, and my local station ticket office is not always manned on the Sabbath, so my question is if this indeed proves to be the case, can I purchase this ticket from the guard once I board? (I'm assuming that Northern TVM's cannot provide this service... unless someone knows to the contrary?)
Thanks

You can buy from the guard. I always do.

Shaw S Hunter · 26 Feb 2019

221129 said:
You can buy from the guard. I always do.

The only downside to that these days is a ticket bought from a Northern guard will be of the new "cash roll" type which will need a little more care to keep in good condition for the duration of the rover. Much as I hate to deprive such a guard of the commission from an ALR from @terryc 's pov they may be better off buying from the booking office the day before and thereby getting a heavier duty card ticket.

221129 · 26 Feb 2019

Shaw S Hunter said:
The only downside to that these days is a ticket bought from a Northern guard will be of the new "cash roll" type which will need a little more care to keep in good condition for the duration of the rover. Much as I hate to deprive such a guard of the commission from an ALR from @terryc 's pov they may be better off buying from the booking office the day before and thereby getting a heavier duty card ticket.

Unless you get a ticket pouch that's designed for those style tickets. If you need one drop me a PM.

Haywain · 26 Feb 2019

freelander said:
Hi all, looking for some advice, I will be purchasing an all line rover ticket (first class) with a railcard, I am aware that time restriction on the use of a railcard. but what if I wanted to catch an earlier train.
1,would I have to pay the full fare even though I will still be on the train when the railcard comes into force
2, or could I pay difference to the station when the card comes into play.
any suggestion ??

freelander

The practical application of the Senior Railcard discount is that no discount will be given on a ticket for a journey (ticket origin to ticket destination) where the journey during the morning peak period - normally before Off Peak Day tickets are available for travel. This means that, for the most part, if you want to buy a ticket to get round the ALR time restrictions you will need to buy a full price ticket (subject to availability of splitting options).

higthomas · 26 Feb 2019

Although going by a strict interpretation of the wording of the ALR restriction, surely the OP only needs an E.G. Kings Cross (KGX) - Finsbury Park anytime single to board a train out of KGX in the morning peak? Which I don't think it would break the bank to buy without 33% off.

ChrisC · 26 Feb 2019

Shaw S Hunter said:
The only downside to that these days is a ticket bought from a Northern guard will be of the new "cash roll" type which will need a little more care to keep in good condition for the duration of the rover. Much as I hate to deprive such a guard of the commission from an ALR from @terryc 's pov they may be better off buying from the booking office the day before and thereby getting a heavier duty card ticket.

It can work the other way around!
Last summer I did a few days in Wales using an Explore North Wales Rover. I didn’t purchase my rover ticket at Nottingham before starting out or from the guard on the EMT Derby to Crewe train. If I had done that I would have got a card ticket. Without knowing I purchased my rover from the Virgin ticket office at Crewe and it was the new “cash roll” type.

Haywain · 26 Feb 2019

higthomas said:
Although going by a strict interpretation of the wording of the ALR restriction, surely the OP only needs an E.G. Kings Cross (KGX) - Finsbury Park anytime single to board a train out of KGX in the morning peak? Which I don't think it would break the bank to buy without 33% off.

The ALR is not valid to board trains operated by LNER at Kings Cross before 10:00. Without teleporting, I don't see that as an adequate workaround.

Hadders · 26 Feb 2019

Haywain said:
The ALR is not valid to board trains operated by LNER at Kings Cross before 10:00. Without teleporting, I don't see that as an adequate workaround.

You use the KGX-FPK ticket to commence the journey switching to the ALR as the train passes through Finsbury Park. Valid NRCOT combination. I'm sure there was a FOI from the old East Coast that revealed an email exchange between various ATOC officials saying that it was a valid combination but would look to implement more draconian restrictions if too many people abused it.

IIRC this was also the same email exchange that referred to the Southeastern representative and 'his shiny new trains' :lol:

higthomas · 26 Feb 2019

Hadders said:
You use the KGX-FPK ticket to commence the journey switching to the ALR as the train passes through Finsbury Park. Valid NRCOT combination. I'm sure there was a FOI from the old East Coast that revealed an email exchange between various ATOC officials saying that it was a valid combination but would look to implement more draconian restrictions if too many people abused it.

IIRC this was also the same email exchange that referred to the Southeastern representative and 'his shiny new trains'

Good to know.
"His shiny new trains" :lol:

yorkie · 27 Feb 2019

freelander said:
Hi all, looking for some advice, I will be purchasing an all line rover ticket (first class) with a railcard, I am aware that time restriction on the use of a railcard. but what if I wanted to catch an earlier train.
1,would I have to pay the full fare even though I will still be on the train when the railcard comes into force
2, or could I pay difference to the station when the card comes into play.
any suggestion ??

freelander

What journey(s) are you referring to?

terryc · 27 Feb 2019

My fault, apologies. I think that the OP has sorted his issues from last year? I simply tagged my question (#9) onto a similar subject existing thread, rather than start a new one.
Again, apologies for any confusion caused.
T

RJ · 27 Feb 2019

Hadders said:
You use the KGX-FPK ticket to commence the journey switching to the ALR as the train passes through Finsbury Park. Valid NRCOT combination. I'm sure there was a FOI from the old East Coast that revealed an email exchange between various ATOC officials saying that it was a valid combination but would look to implement more draconian restrictions if too many people abused it.

IIRC this was also the same email exchange that referred to the Southeastern representative and 'his shiny new trains'

I've done a few of these. All the guards I came across on the restricted TOCs didn't know or care about the 10am rule.

yorkie · 27 Feb 2019

terryc said:
My fault, apologies. I think that the OP has sorted his issues from last year? I simply tagged my question (#9) onto a similar subject existing thread, rather than start a new one.
Again, apologies for any confusion caused.
T

So you aren't asking about using a Senior Railcard with the Rover, and it's a completely different question?

terryc · 27 Feb 2019

yorkie said:
So you aren't asking about using a Senior Railcard with the Rover, and it's a completely different question?

Correct. The thread title was "All line Rover Ticket", and I asked a question about that title subject.

Apologies

wyddfa · 28 Feb 2019

The ALR is good fun and not poor value for money. Had one with my 60+ railcard last summer.

But I can't help pointing out that there is an 60+ Interail offer on at the moment. Any seven days - not consecutive but in a whole month - first class anywhere in Europe £269. Two journeys in UK included. Berlin, Prague, Copenhagen, Rome, Kyle of Lochalsh....

morrisobrien · 1 Mar 2019

I think you will find that the Interrail offer has now finished.

221129 · 1 Mar 2019

wyddfa said:
The ALR is good fun and not poor value for money. Had one with my 60+ railcard last summer.

But I can't help pointing out that there is an 60+ Interail offer on at the moment. Any seven days - not consecutive but in a whole month - first class anywhere in Europe £269. Two journeys in UK included. Berlin, Prague, Copenhagen, Rome, Kyle of Lochalsh....

You wouldn't be able to do a trip to Kyle of Lochalsh on an Interail pass.

ForTheLoveOf · 1 Mar 2019

221129 said:
You wouldn't be able to do a trip to Kyle of Lochalsh on an Interail pass.

Yes you can, certainly a 'reverse' return journey, as you're entitled to make one journey from any station in your origin country to a "port" (e.g. London St Pancras, Dover, Heathrow, Gatwick etc.), and the same in reverse.

221129 · 1 Mar 2019

ForTheLoveOf said:
Yes you can, certainly a 'reverse' return journey, as you're entitled to make one journey from any station in your origin country to a "port" (e.g. London St Pancras, Dover, Heathrow, Gatwick etc.), and the same in reverse.

Which is only helpful if you live there. That also doesn't sound what the OP was getting at.

cactustwirly · 1 Mar 2019

221129 said:
You wouldn't be able to do a trip to Kyle of Lochalsh on an Interail pass.

Yes you can, you can do one journey in your home.country!

221129 · 1 Mar 2019

cactustwirly said:
Yes you can, you can do one journey in your home.country!

Only to and from your port of departure not just a random Jolly...

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