Blackpool - Manchester Electrification

TBSchenker · 5 Mar 2019

Wtloild said:
I rode on a 319 from Chorley to Preston & back at weekend & was struck by how un-EMU-like (slow) the acceleration was away from stations.
Other than being quieter, it seemed no different to a 150.

I was on a 156 from Manchester to Preston which departed Leyland on the Down Fast at much the same time as a 319 departed Leyland on the Down Slow .it pretty much left us behind. The 319s on all stopper services might not be able to reach the top speed between stations, but their acceleration definitely beats the Sprinter DMUs they replace.

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Llama · 5 Mar 2019

Leyland is on a moderate falling gradient in the down (Preston) direction. I suggest a comparison in the other direction would give the opposite result.

A few months ago I had similar, I stopped at Leyland on the DF in 2x150, a 319 was stopped on the DS. We started moving at exactly the same time. The 150 was opened up to full power at about 10mph, we were much quicker to ~30mph and a train-length ahead, then by Farington Jn the 319 had passed us, by Skew Bridge Jn when we were both doing 75mph the 319 was ~400yds ahead. We both had clear signals as far as Preston South Jn.

CHAPS2034 · 5 Mar 2019

Geeves said:
The 75mph restrictions were removed once testing and paperwork by NR was completed last week.

I came down from Adlington to Victoria on a 319 on Saturday - first time electric haulage on the line.

Thought it was motoring coming down the hill from Bolton - arrived at the Crescent 3 minutes early after leaving Bolton RT. From the timings it looks like it was probably doing 90mph at some stage.

bengley · 6 Mar 2019

Problem with the wires at Bolton this morning. Looks like it's caused a fair bit of disruption

Red18 · 6 Mar 2019

Geeves said:
The 75mph restrictions were removed once testing and paperwork by NR was completed last week.

Well according to my Late Notice Case this speed restriction is still in place.
So should be 75 max. (Well thats what I'll be doing anyway )

thealexweb · 7 Mar 2019

Ugh TPE have amended all their Bolton services to pass through.

ianhr · 7 Mar 2019

How many electric diagrams is Northern now operating on the Bolton route? Is it still just the original 3?

LeylandLen · 7 Mar 2019

Travelled today on a 319 along the WCML to Wigan. Yes it performed well, on the down fast,but it was very draughty! Two windows with horizontal hinges refused to stay closed ; the speed of the 319 didnt help with passenger comfort and trying to keep the carrriage warm. I doubt any windows were replaced in the refurbishment ?? I changed onto a Virgin pendo and the warmth and lack of open windows was very noticeable !

ic31420 · 7 Mar 2019

Not sure if Orlando Bridge, Bolton was replaced due to electrification or because the old Bridge was knackered.

But this has always troubled me.

The road in this picture is to the right of the walkway.

Why have they gone to the trouble of adding huge pointy capping stoned to this bit? The capping on the railway parapet side is sensible and inkeeping with other bridges treated along the line for the knitting .

edwin_m · 8 Mar 2019

ic31420 said:
Not sure if Orlando Bridge, Bolton was replaced due to electrification or because the old Bridge was knackered.

But this has always troubled me.

The road in this picture is to the right of the walkway.

Why have they gone to the trouble of adding huge pointy capping stoned to this bit? The capping on the railway parapet side is sensible and inkeeping with other bridges treated along the line for the knitting .

I wonder if they were worried about ASBO types climbing onto the wide parapet between the footway and the road and using it as a platform to lob things over onto the railway.

Ianno87 · 8 Mar 2019

ic31420 said:
Not sure if Orlando Bridge, Bolton was replaced due to electrification or because the old Bridge was knackered.

But this has always troubled me.

The road in this picture is to the right of the walkway.

Why have they gone to the trouble of adding huge pointy capping stoned to this bit? The capping on the railway parapet side is sensible and inkeeping with other bridges treated along the line for the knitting .

The lack of piers gives flexibilty for where the track can go underneath (the old bridge pretty much fixed the track where it had to be), which I imagine was at least part of the reason for the replacement?

Trackman · 8 Mar 2019

Orlando bridge was deemed unsafe.
It was closed to HGVs for months before rebuilding.

Malay States · 9 Mar 2019

Crew training has started on 195s. Two or three were running about out of Blackpool North today, and a guy on one of them confirmed it. I think they were all 195s, but possibly one was a 331. You'd think 331s would be more relevant to Blackpool, but maybe they are much the same from a crewing point of view.

Ianno87 · 9 Mar 2019

Sorry if this has been stated upthread (don't recall seeing it), but have any EMUs been out via Bolton at weekends?

Chrisyd · 9 Mar 2019

Ianno87 said:
Sorry if this has been stated upthread (don't recall seeing it), but have any EMUs been out via Bolton at weekends?

There definitely was two weekends ago, on the Buckshaw Parkway - Victoria services

driver_m · 9 Mar 2019

Malay States said:
Crew training has started on 195s. Two or three were running about out of Blackpool North today, and a guy on one of them confirmed it. I think they were all 195s, but possibly one was a 331. You'd think 331s would be more relevant to Blackpool, but maybe they are much the same from a crewing point of view.

Was said elsewhere that the course is a 195 based course with a 331 conversion .Northern staff can clarify or deny this but would explain why they're using so many 195s

Ianno87 · 9 Mar 2019

Chrisyd said:
There definitely was two weekends ago, on the Buckshaw Parkway - Victoria services

Thanks.

Llama · 10 Mar 2019

driver_m said:
Was said elsewhere that the course is a 195 based course with a 331 conversion .Northern staff can clarify or deny this but would explain why they're using so many 195s

That's right, seven days for 195s and two more for 331s (for those who already sign electric traction).

LeylandLen · 10 Mar 2019

thealexweb said:

Ugh TPE have amended all their Bolton services to pass through.

Click to expand...

Sadly yes, thats M-F and Sat, Sun with only 2 calling Bolton Sunday evenings as per RTT ..

thealexweb · 10 Mar 2019

LeylandLen said:
Sadly yes, thats M-F and Sat, Sun with only 2 calling Bolton Sunday evenings as per RTT ..

It's such a sorry state of affairs. At the moment this is all we have for weekday services:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...20/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=pax-calls&order=wtt

Trapper · 10 Mar 2019

Is there any update on the progress of the Great Extension Lead. I noticed on Friday Orangemen working at Heyrod supply point and the new cable bridge at Stalybridge junction? Victoria to Stalybridge is scheduled for complete blockade Easter Weekend but I can't find out what work is proposed to be carried out.

LDECRexile · 11 Mar 2019

Wtloild said:
I rode on a 319 from Chorley to Preston & back at weekend & was struck by how un-EMU-like (slow) the acceleration was away from stations.
Other than being quieter, it seemed no different to a 150.

This has not been my impression over recent years on Liverpool-Manchester/Preston and now Manchester-Blackpool trains.

The repeated sensation on 319s has been akin to when I start my car in 2nd gear from traffic lights; similar vehicles alongside start faster, then I overtake them after 30 yards or so.

What was more quantifiable on Liv-Man/Wigan was departing on time then arriving early and having to wait for right time departure, as DMU timings remained in force.

I make no claim to scientific or statistical accuracy!

Ken H · 11 Mar 2019

LDECRexile said:
This has not been my impression over recent years on Liverpool-Manchester/Preston and now Manchester-Blackpool trains.

The repeated sensation on 319s has been akin to when I start my car in 2nd gear from traffic lights; similar vehicles alongside start faster, then I overtake them after 30 yards or so.

What was more quantifiable on Liv-Man/Wigan was departing on time then arriving early and having to wait for right time departure, as DMU timings remained in force.

I make no claim to scientific or statistical accuracy!

has anyone played with their satnav so they know actual speeds of the 319's? Might tell us something. Judging speed is very subjective.

driver_m · 11 Mar 2019

The proof is in the dwell time at stations. The 319 running to time is often sat there some time, a diesel, it just never happened. Happens on all lines that 319s run out of Lime St. The difference will hopefully be even more stark when a few 331 units start to appear on the various lines .

bengley · 11 Mar 2019

Trapper said:
Is there any update on the progress of the Great Extension Lead. I noticed on Friday Orangemen working at Heyrod supply point and the new cable bridge at Stalybridge junction? Victoria to Stalybridge is scheduled for complete blockade Easter Weekend but I can't find out what work is proposed to be carried out.

As a driver who passes by almost daily I'd say there is a hell of a lot of work to do. Not even all of the ducting is installed yet.

ianhr · 12 Mar 2019

I noticed yesterday that near the waste terminal sidings several of the latticed uprights supporting the catenary on the up side have cladding around them. I have never seen this anywhere else. Does anyone know the reason?

59CosG95 · 12 Mar 2019

ianhr said:
I noticed yesterday that near the waste terminal sidings several of the latticed uprights supporting the catenary on the up side have cladding around them. I have never seen this anywhere else. Does anyone know the reason?

What sort of cladding? It could be that it's there to discourage climbing, in advance of installing the permanent spiked anti-climb guards.

CdBrux · 12 Mar 2019

I travelled along the line on Saturday to visit some friends. I noticed to the north of Moses Gate and pretty much to Bolton Station much of the overhead structures seem to have been built in a way to allow another track to be added. Is this deliberate or just part of the issues encountered in finding suitable ground for piling?

59CosG95 · 12 Mar 2019

CdBrux said:
I travelled along the line on Saturday to visit some friends. I noticed to the north of Moses Gate and pretty much to Bolton Station much of the overhead structures seem to have been built in a way to allow another track to be added. Is this deliberate or just part of the issues encountered in finding suitable ground for piling?

I would hope it was a deliberate decision!

geoffk · 12 Mar 2019

LeylandLen said:
Sadly yes, thats M-F and Sat, Sun with only 2 calling Bolton Sunday evenings as per RTT ..

Surely they are supposed to stop at Bolton. Isn't it a franchise requirement? Or is this a temporary measure until the 350s are replaced by 397s?

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