Lothian Buses and ECB Discussion

OmniCity999 · 12 Mar 2019

Jordan Adam said:
Cameras tend to make "big" stuff look small.

that's what she said.

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Darklord8899 · 12 Mar 2019

OmniCity999 said:
that's what she said.

Gingerbus1991 · 12 Mar 2019

OmniCity999 said:
that's what she said.

Simmer jordan, not sure theres many babes on here

Darklord8899 · 12 Mar 2019

overthewater said:
I still think there are on the wrong routes, and would have been better on the 25 or even 44.

Whilst I haven't seen a list of passenger numbers per route, it has been said by Lothian themselves, that the 11 and 16 "carried more passengers in the last year, than any other route" so it would seem logical to me that this is why those routes have been chosen for the E400LXB's.

Now it might be that those routes have only beaten the third busiest route by 10 passengers or it might be by 100's..... either way, its the top two busiest routes that have the new buses.

SpeedbirdA350 · 12 Mar 2019

90019 said:
The build quality fell off a cliff at some point during 2017.
The 17 plate Geminis are pretty decent, but the 18 plate ones are awful. When someone walks down the upper deck, it flexes and creaks like it's about to collapse, and if you're downstairs you can see it flexing.

Perhaps one of the reasons Lothian went to ADL to see if they could do a better job? I have seen a few of the B8Ls in service now and one 11 yesterday was standing room only. If there is no issues with them on main routes, is it safe to assume that this will not be the only batch of B8Ls heading to Lothian...

Gingerbus1991 · 12 Mar 2019

SpeedbirdA350 said:
Perhaps one of the reasons Lothian went to ADL to see if they could do a better job? I have seen a few of the B8Ls in service now and one 11 yesterday was standing room only. If there is no issues with them on main routes, is it safe to assume that this will not be the only batch of B8Ls heading to Lothian...

Im only stipulating but I assume things may pick up as well when an LEZ is established.

VioletEclipse · 12 Mar 2019

I wonder if there's a particular reason to the fact that Lothian are sending the Tridents out in service again after they were officially withdrawn...

Jordan Adam · 12 Mar 2019

Gingerbus1991 said:
Simmer jordan, not sure theres many babes on here

Never knew i was looking for babes... anyhoo.... o_O

SpeedbirdA350 said:
Perhaps one of the reasons Lothian went to ADL to see if they could do a better job? I have seen a few of the B8Ls in service now and one 11 yesterday was standing room only. If there is no issues with them on main routes, is it safe to assume that this will not be the only batch of B8Ls heading to Lothian...

I just hope if they do buy more it's shorter models with a second buggy space.

sam120 · 12 Mar 2019

went to try and get a wee run on one of the new buses, only to find 1056 turn up. can’t say i was too pleased

Lothian_Bus · 12 Mar 2019

sam120 said:
went to try and get a wee run on one of the new buses, only to find 1056 turn up. can’t say i was too pleased

Same happened to me yesterday. Was one of the 200 batch that turned up!

oldman · 12 Mar 2019

I went on a beast on the 16 today:

As expected, high seat backs and inadequate pitch - fortunately got the offside seat at the top of the stair so I could actually see out.
Audio and visual stop announcements don't always match - is it Oxgangs Green or Hunters Tryst primary. I've had this on the 400 as well, even announcements in the wrong order, so it must be really difficult to get right.
Annoying announcement about the rear door closing even on top deck. Is there a time lag before the doors actually close?
Driver very cautious (naturally) and the estimated time of arrival moved back 4 minutes from Comiston Road to Tollcross in normal traffic .
Told to get off at the front because wheelie bins were in the way of the back door.

Happily got an 08 reg back. Long may they last.

ScotRail158725 · 12 Mar 2019

90019 said:
The build quality fell off a cliff at some point during 2017.
The 17 plate Geminis are pretty decent, but the 18 plate ones are awful. When someone walks down the upper deck, it flexes and creaks like it's about to collapse, and if you're downstairs you can see it flexing.

I always sit upstairs at the back (im prepared for the junkie comments) and everytime i walk along upstairs the seats/poles sound like they tense and might break. Happens on all 1051-1062 as ive been on all then 30+ times

ScotRail158725 · 12 Mar 2019

Jordan Adam said:
I just hope if they do buy more it's shorter models with a second buggy space.

I agree id of much prefered to see normal Enviro 400 MMC's and Enviro 200 MMC's. I don't think the XLB's look good with their length, glass staircase and non framed windows which the stantard MMC's have

Jordan Adam · 12 Mar 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
I agree id of much prefered to see normal Enviro 400 MMC's and Enviro 200 MMC's. I don't think the XLB's look good with their length, glass staircase and non framed windows which the stantard MMC's have

As i've said already, if they went with standard 12M models, you'd still get a capacity increase over a normal E400MMC, they'd still be able to have the B8L chassis and you wouldn't have issues getting round corners.

ect76 · 12 Mar 2019

Long time lurker, first time poster here. Got to ride one of the 400XLBs today. From a passenger perspective, I must say I quite liked it. The first thing you notice is when you walk upstairs and do that look for a seat that everyone does, and you think "Wow, that's a long way to the back." The seats are the same as the Gemini 3s, so nothing new there. I did like the mood lighting on the inside - Gives it a really classy look. It's also really quiet - You can barely hear the engine. The ventilation fan is loud, as another poster said, but not excessively so in my opinion. The best thing about it though is the lack of rattles! As someone who rides the SA15 and SJ67 Gemini 3s every day, I must say it's really nice to have a break from the incessant rattles that the grab handles and that panel at the top of the stairs give off. The "Warning - Exit doors closing" at every stop, sometimes twice at a stop, did get a little annoying but I think you'd soon learn to ignore that if you rode them every day. Legroom also isn't amazing, but I expected that on a bus they designed to cram 100 on.
Overall, I was very impressed with them. Rode from Tollcross to Ocean Terminal, then headed home on bus 703 on the 35. Feel like I got to ride the newest and (now) oldest in one day.

ScotRail158725 · 12 Mar 2019

ect76 said:
Long time lurker, first time poster here. Got to ride one of the 400XLBs today. From a passenger perspective, I must say I quite liked it. The first thing you notice is when you walk upstairs and do that look for a seat that everyone does, and you think "Wow, that's a long way to the back." The seats are the same as the Gemini 3s, so nothing new there. I did like the mood lighting on the inside - Gives it a really classy look. It's also really quiet - You can barely hear the engine. The ventilation fan is loud, as another poster said, but not excessively so in my opinion. The best thing about it though is the lack of rattles! As someone who rides the SA15 and SJ67 Gemini 3s every day, I must say it's really nice to have a break from the incessant rattles that the grab handles and that panel at the top of the stairs give off. The "Warning - Exit doors closing" at every stop, sometimes twice at a stop, did get a little annoying but I think you'd soon learn to ignore that if you rode them every day. Legroom also isn't amazing, but I expected that on a bus they designed to cram 100 on.
Overall, I was very impressed with them. Rode from Tollcross to Ocean Terminal, then headed home on bus 703 on the 35. Feel like I got to ride the newest and (now) oldest in one day.

Seems like a good review. Good to see the 55 plates still going strong, the Lothian 55 plates are the best batch of buses in the uk imo

ScotRail158725 · 12 Mar 2019

Also B7 update 778/787 are back at Central from Marine Car Park, 775/784/788/789 are now Longstone based however no 55s have been Withdrawn, 786 is now Marine bases, 767/771/772/779-781/811/815/820/825 remain withdrawn at Marine Car Park

route101 · 12 Mar 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
Seems like a good review. Good to see the 55 plates still going strong, the Lothian 55 plates are the best batch of buses in the uk imo

Always find these new gemini 3s and e400mmcs feel really stiff .

Graham19862104 · 13 Mar 2019

Does anyone know what happened to 214 (sn61bcf) as when you look at fleet lists it’s missing 213 &215 are there I haven’t seen it on the streets either

SpeedbirdA350 · 13 Mar 2019

214 is currently on Princes St on service 10

Fifescottish · 13 Mar 2019

Was 212 the broken one that has been off for a while?

SpeedbirdA350 · 13 Mar 2019

212 is also out on route 10 right now.
215 however was last seen 6 January. (SN61BCK)

203 and 206 have not been out in a week (repainting I assume)

90019 · 13 Mar 2019

203, 206 and 215 are the remaining hybrids, so it could be that they're getting converted to diesel only.

ScotRail158725 · 13 Mar 2019

90019 said:
203, 206 and 215 are the remaining hybrids, so it could be that they're getting converted to diesel only.

215 was at Marine on Sunday clearly just back from diesel concersion as it has an advert from Januray and has a silver panel behind the emergency exit door with the grills the diesel buses have

ScotRail158725 · 13 Mar 2019

Service 5 will be the route on vintage running day on April 13th

Darklord8899 · 13 Mar 2019

......noticed this morning that one of the original (ex-)hybrids was carrying Lothian City branding (actually running on the 10) (couldn't see which one it was)

Darklord8899 · 13 Mar 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
Service 5 will be the route on vintage running day on April 13th

That explains the registration I saw for the 5 on the N&P yesterday.... was wondering what that was for (also saw the info on Lothian website about 10 mins ago lol)

Lothian_Bus · 13 Mar 2019

Darklord8899 said:
......noticed this morning that one of the original (ex-)hybrids was carrying Lothian City branding (actually running on the 10) (couldn't see which one it was)

Probably 213.

https://twitter.com/on_lothianbuses/status/1095994258966921216

alchemy · 13 Mar 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
Also B7 update 778/787 are back at Central from Marine Car Park, 775/784/788/789 are now Longstone based however no 55s have been Withdrawn, 786 is now Marine bases, 767/771/772/779-781/811/815/820/825 remain withdrawn at Marine Car Park

Some of these now showing at Longstone
825 and 811 seem to be there

VioletEclipse · 13 Mar 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
Service 5 will be the route on vintage running day on April 13th

I am wondering where the buses will terminate and turn round in Morningside and Brunstane, and if 112/701 will be there too.
Also it specified that it is an 'Easter Vintage Running Day' so does that mean we could have another one the 28th of September (Doors Open Day)?

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