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Also noticed that the 46 seems to be finally giving up the ghost. No more direct buses between Torquay and Exeter* unless someone else steps in with a replacement. EDIT: I hadn't spotted that the 7A will replace it.
I am pleased to see an N12 though, I always thought that a night service, on Fridays and Saturdays at least, had potential. I reckon two buses on an hourly frequency could just about cope.
* with one exception: Carmel Coaches operates a schoolday-only contract service between Exeter and Torquay Grammar Schools.
I am pleased to see an N12 though, I always thought that a night service, on Fridays and Saturdays at least, had potential. I reckon two buses on an hourly frequency could just about cope.
* with one exception: Carmel Coaches operates a schoolday-only contract service between Exeter and Torquay Grammar Schools.
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If I read it correctly, is the X64 being renumbered 7/7a and providing some sort of service to replace the 46?
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The 7A may just be a few journeys to Torquay as it's closer to the depot?
The excellent "Plymothian Transit" blog has more details. All changes have a start date of 14th April.
http://www.plymothiantransit.com/
7/7A: new routes between Exeter and Totnes (7) or Torquay (7A) replacing 46 and part of X64.
12/N12: introduction of Summer timetable. Late night journeys introduced on Friday night/Saturday morning and Saturday night/Sunday morning.
22: new timetable with later journey to and from Dawlish Warren daily.
23: new timetable with off-peak and Saturday service rerouted via White Rock Way (new housing on outskirts of Paignton)
31: revised times on Saturday mornings and Sundays.
32 (Torquay): (not mentioned but presumably will be replaced by new 35A/35C)
32 (St Budeaux): revised route and timetable.
32C: incorporated into 35A/35C registration - no change to route or timetable.
34: withdrawn, replaced by 35A/35C
35A/35C: new circular routes replacing 32 and 34.
46: withdrawn, replaced by new route 7A
X64: withdrawn, replaced by new route 7 between Exeter and Totnes and by new route 92 between Totnes and Dartmouth.
77: new Newton Abbot town service between Hele Park and Buckland. Every 30 minutes Monday-Saturday, hourly Sunday.
88/88A/88B: withdrawn between Newton Abbot (Town Centre, Sherborne Road) and Buckland, new route 77 provides an alternative service.
92: new route between Totnes and Dartmouth replacing part of X46 and operating to revised times.
110 (school route): afternoon journey retimed.
Fox: minor timetable changes to morning journeys.
Gold: new timetable, incorporating additional Monday-Saturday evening journeys and an extra journey in each direction on Sundays.
There is no mention of the Torbay open top 122 service but I would expect it to commence from the same date.
http://www.plymothiantransit.com/
7/7A: new routes between Exeter and Totnes (7) or Torquay (7A) replacing 46 and part of X64.
12/N12: introduction of Summer timetable. Late night journeys introduced on Friday night/Saturday morning and Saturday night/Sunday morning.
22: new timetable with later journey to and from Dawlish Warren daily.
23: new timetable with off-peak and Saturday service rerouted via White Rock Way (new housing on outskirts of Paignton)
31: revised times on Saturday mornings and Sundays.
32 (Torquay): (not mentioned but presumably will be replaced by new 35A/35C)
32 (St Budeaux): revised route and timetable.
32C: incorporated into 35A/35C registration - no change to route or timetable.
34: withdrawn, replaced by 35A/35C
35A/35C: new circular routes replacing 32 and 34.
46: withdrawn, replaced by new route 7A
X64: withdrawn, replaced by new route 7 between Exeter and Totnes and by new route 92 between Totnes and Dartmouth.
77: new Newton Abbot town service between Hele Park and Buckland. Every 30 minutes Monday-Saturday, hourly Sunday.
88/88A/88B: withdrawn between Newton Abbot (Town Centre, Sherborne Road) and Buckland, new route 77 provides an alternative service.
92: new route between Totnes and Dartmouth replacing part of X46 and operating to revised times.
110 (school route): afternoon journey retimed.
Fox: minor timetable changes to morning journeys.
Gold: new timetable, incorporating additional Monday-Saturday evening journeys and an extra journey in each direction on Sundays.
There is no mention of the Torbay open top 122 service but I would expect it to commence from the same date.
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DaveHarries
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The new timetable for Service 12, including the N12, in Torbay is now on Traveline South West. In summary:
- Extra journeys on Service 12: 0018hrs Newton Abbot - Torquay Harbourside (not numbered N12: wonder why?) and 2348hrs Brixham - Shiphay. There is nothing on Traveline South West to say that these journeys are Friday and Saturday nights only.
- The N12 runs every 30 minutes on Saturday and Sunday mornings (not Bank Holidays) as follows:
Brixham - Newton Abbot: first at 0018hrs, last at 0418hrs
Newton Abbot - Brixham: first at 0048hrs, last at 0418hrs
With the exception of the N12 at 0018hrs Brixham - Newton Abbot the other diagrams have their first journeys from either Shiphay or Torquay:
0020hrs Torquay - Newton Abbot
0005hrs & 0035hrs Shiphay - Brixham
I reckon this could be a seasonal experiment and it will be interesting to see how the passenger numbers turn out. I shouldn't think double-deckers will be used either but I could be wrong.
Dave
- Extra journeys on Service 12: 0018hrs Newton Abbot - Torquay Harbourside (not numbered N12: wonder why?) and 2348hrs Brixham - Shiphay. There is nothing on Traveline South West to say that these journeys are Friday and Saturday nights only.
- The N12 runs every 30 minutes on Saturday and Sunday mornings (not Bank Holidays) as follows:
Brixham - Newton Abbot: first at 0018hrs, last at 0418hrs
Newton Abbot - Brixham: first at 0048hrs, last at 0418hrs
With the exception of the N12 at 0018hrs Brixham - Newton Abbot the other diagrams have their first journeys from either Shiphay or Torquay:
0020hrs Torquay - Newton Abbot
0005hrs & 0035hrs Shiphay - Brixham
I reckon this could be a seasonal experiment and it will be interesting to see how the passenger numbers turn out. I shouldn't think double-deckers will be used either but I could be wrong.
Dave
7/7A and 92 are now on travelinesw and the 7 to Totnes is hourly which is a doubling in frequency. Totnes-Dartmouth remains 2 hourly. The Torquay moves are positional ones with a morning one to Exeter and 3 back from Exeter in the evening.
On the 88 it remains hourly but times change and the Sunday service is gone.
On Gold it looks the same with the addition of a 1920 from Torquay-Plymouth (handy for the cheap evening ticket), returning at 2110. There's a new 1805 returning at 2005 on Sunday and lastly a new 0000 bus on Saturday and Sunday mornings from Plymouth to Ivybridge.
On the 88 it remains hourly but times change and the Sunday service is gone.
On Gold it looks the same with the addition of a 1920 from Torquay-Plymouth (handy for the cheap evening ticket), returning at 2110. There's a new 1805 returning at 2005 on Sunday and lastly a new 0000 bus on Saturday and Sunday mornings from Plymouth to Ivybridge.
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Blimey, the 12 getting a night service is something I never thought would happen. Good luck to whoever gets to clean those up!
The 7A is a very poor substitute for the 46. Two early morning departures from Torquay and three evening journeys back, and all routed via Rydon and Newton Abbot so taking 20 minutes longer. And just one journey each way on Saturdays. The Torquay-Exeter bus link is now all but dead.
I am very pleased to see the 12 is getting a weekend night service though. And the later 22 journey to/from Dawlish Warren and the extra evening and Sunday Gold journeys (especially that 19.20 departure from Torquay which plugs the previous 2.5 hour gap) are very welcome.
I am very pleased to see the 12 is getting a weekend night service though. And the later 22 journey to/from Dawlish Warren and the extra evening and Sunday Gold journeys (especially that 19.20 departure from Torquay which plugs the previous 2.5 hour gap) are very welcome.
If the 7A was two hourly it would be better. But they’ve cocked it up. Only a matter of time before the X38 also follows suit.
Agreed, but at least the X38 has Falcon as a partial replacement and I'd much rather have Falcon.
That is true, but then rail is always an alternative for Torbay.
Falcon doesn’t serve Exeter City Centre and some of the villages. However nearly all the places served by X38 have other buses.
There's a consultation document out on proposed changes to Exeter area services. Follow the link at www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/south-west/route-consultation.
TheGrandWazoo
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Interesting nuggets there - increased Cranbrook service, X38 being reduced, and a new Tiverton outstation.
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Been looking at the Stagecoach Falcon services from Bristol to Plymouth and am a bit confused about the ticket prices!
The Stagecoach website says a return Bristol to Plymouth is £28. Yet a return from Bristol to Taunton is £8 and a return from Taunton to Plymouth is £8.30 - so a total of £16.30.
How on earth can they justify that difference?
The Stagecoach website says a return Bristol to Plymouth is £28. Yet a return from Bristol to Taunton is £8 and a return from Taunton to Plymouth is £8.30 - so a total of £16.30.
How on earth can they justify that difference?
Market pricing as opposed to mileage-based or zonal fares. Stagecoach is competing with the train operators over this route and prices accordingly.
There is also a range of discounts for under 25s, over 60s, concessionary pass holders, as well as group fares and advance purchase via the megbus.com website.
There is also a range of discounts for under 25s, over 60s, concessionary pass holders, as well as group fares and advance purchase via the megbus.com website.
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I've not used the 46 since moving to Exeter over a year ago and the reduction in service, and de-Xing. Even then in the peak it was rare to have to share a row in the peak.
I'm certain the bulk of use was the midday service on the concessionary pass
It was already a slow journey to/ from Paignton due to the daft routing up Lucius/Belgrave Road, even out of season. Adding going through Newton as well would have driven me mad.
When I do see it coming into Exeter now, there's very few getting off at the moment. Not exactly sounding financially viable, is it?
Given the (eventually) half hourly Metro service, and the interchange onto the H at St Davids/Central catering to those going to the Hospital, (goes straight to the main entrance) its easy to see why it's getting lobotomised
I'm certain the bulk of use was the midday service on the concessionary pass
It was already a slow journey to/ from Paignton due to the daft routing up Lucius/Belgrave Road, even out of season. Adding going through Newton as well would have driven me mad.
When I do see it coming into Exeter now, there's very few getting off at the moment. Not exactly sounding financially viable, is it?
Given the (eventually) half hourly Metro service, and the interchange onto the H at St Davids/Central catering to those going to the Hospital, (goes straight to the main entrance) its easy to see why it's getting lobotomised
I'd say most of the changes are sensible.
- Interesting the B terminating at Union Road. Surely Stagecoach aren't taking over the M from Dartline? This would be even more surprising given they have given up the G from April.
- I agree with not changing the basics of the I-K but they do need to sort the running time to reduce Whipton Barton-Whipton and increase Whipton-town as it always waits for time in Whipton and then is late into the High Street.
- Not a huge fan of the A dropping to hourly on Sunday evening. If it does, hopefully it won't go the same time as the K/T as it's a useful alternative for those of us living between the two routes.
- I still don't understand why the R and S need to run so frequently as they are consistently the emptiest buses in Exeter. Why not reduce the R&S and keep the green all stops as I think the Green being all stops fills a useful gap, although if buses to Cranbrook increase it won't matter as much.
- Glad Falcon is being left alone although I wish they would connect better overnight in Bristol with the Megabus coaches to Heathrow/London and also I wish the 0425 from Exeter could arrive a few minutes earlier to ensure the 0635 connection to the M25 to Cardiff is viable. We got diverted this morning due to the closure at Churchill and the driver took the really long route via Lime Kiln. Luckily she let me get off there and I caught the A1 to town just making the M25, whilst Falcon pulled after we had left.
Agreed on both and also the narrow bit at the end of Harrington Lane towards Beacon Heath will see much more conflicts of buses both ways with nowhere to pass which is far from ideal.
With their lack of planning skills I’m sure they will be timed to pass there!
If they want to give Pinhoe a decent service run directly up Pinhoe road. However I think 4 1s per hour is more than enough.
Temple Meads
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It would be nice if Tiverton could get an evening and Sunday service on a par with Crediton (a smaller town that also has a rail service!).
Temple Meads
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Good to see increased service levels for Cranbrook - on a few occasions I've seen buses on the 4 filled to capacity.
It hasn't been released yet - Exeter is the first.
Ah right thanks. Are they all this year do we know? It will be interesting to see if they hsve anything planned with their small Plymouth network?
Crediton may be smaller but it is closer and gets more usage than Tiverton I would say.
DaveHarries
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I notice from the VOSA Bus Service registrations for today, 18th March, that Filers Travel (Ilfracombe) have cancelled Service 301 (Combe Martin - Ilfracombe - Barnstaple) wef 25-May-2019. Wonder if Stagecoach will step in to replace it or whether this is simply a retendering exercise.
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Stagecoach South Wales have registered a large number of changes which, in today's (19th March) VOSA Bus Service Registrations, are all given as taking effect 12-May-2019. Numerous routes around the Welsh Valleys as well as the Traws Cymru T4 & T14 are affected as follows:
New Route:
23 (23) (Merthyr Tydfil - Twyncarmel)
Cancelled Routes:
26 (26) (Merthyr Local) - replaced by revised Service 25.
40B, 40C (Brecon Locals)
Timetable Revisions:
E3 (E3) Brynmawr - Garn Lydan
T4 (T4) Brecon - Merthyr Tydfil
T4N (T4) Newtown (Powys) - Llandrindod Wells
T4L (T4) Llandrindod Wells - Builth Wells
T4W (T4) Builth Wells - Brecon
Ca56 (56) Tredegar - Newport
BL12 (12) New Tredegar - Blackwood
14 (14) Blackwood - Bargoed
151 (151) Blackwood - Newport
26 (26) Cardiff - Blackwood
R1 (R1) Newport - Risca
Me1 (1) Merthyr Tydfil - Bargoed
Me2 (2) Merthyr Tydfil - Baregoed
3 (3) Merthyr Tydfil - Bargoed
33 (33) Merthyr Tydfil - Galon Uchaf
35 (35) Merthyr Tydfil - Rhydybedd (includes new Sunday service)
38 (38) Merthyr Tydfil - Twynyrodyn
81 (81) Merthyr Tydfil - Bryngolau
X43 (X43, 43) Brecon - Abergavenny
X4A (X4) Abergavenny - Merthyr Tydfil
T14B (T14) Merthyr Tydfil - Hay On Wye (New Registration)
T14H T14) Hereford - Hay On Wye
T14C (T14) Merthyr Tydfil - Cardiff
T14W (T14) Brecon - Hay On Wye
X4C (X4, T4) Merthyr Tydfil - Cardiff
Timetable and Route Revisions:
Me27 (27) Merthyr Tydfil - Prince Charles Hospital
40 (40A, 40B, 40C) Brecon Locals
78 (78A, 78) Merthyr Tydfil - Pontypridd
79 (79) Merthyr Tydfil - Bedliniog
BrX15 (X15) Brynmawr - Newport
A few of the changes above are merely variations to improve the reliability of the service but, it seems, not all.
HTIOI,
Dave
New Route:
23 (23) (Merthyr Tydfil - Twyncarmel)
Cancelled Routes:
26 (26) (Merthyr Local) - replaced by revised Service 25.
40B, 40C (Brecon Locals)
Timetable Revisions:
E3 (E3) Brynmawr - Garn Lydan
T4 (T4) Brecon - Merthyr Tydfil
T4N (T4) Newtown (Powys) - Llandrindod Wells
T4L (T4) Llandrindod Wells - Builth Wells
T4W (T4) Builth Wells - Brecon
Ca56 (56) Tredegar - Newport
BL12 (12) New Tredegar - Blackwood
14 (14) Blackwood - Bargoed
151 (151) Blackwood - Newport
26 (26) Cardiff - Blackwood
R1 (R1) Newport - Risca
Me1 (1) Merthyr Tydfil - Bargoed
Me2 (2) Merthyr Tydfil - Baregoed
3 (3) Merthyr Tydfil - Bargoed
33 (33) Merthyr Tydfil - Galon Uchaf
35 (35) Merthyr Tydfil - Rhydybedd (includes new Sunday service)
38 (38) Merthyr Tydfil - Twynyrodyn
81 (81) Merthyr Tydfil - Bryngolau
X43 (X43, 43) Brecon - Abergavenny
X4A (X4) Abergavenny - Merthyr Tydfil
T14B (T14) Merthyr Tydfil - Hay On Wye (New Registration)
T14H T14) Hereford - Hay On Wye
T14C (T14) Merthyr Tydfil - Cardiff
T14W (T14) Brecon - Hay On Wye
X4C (X4, T4) Merthyr Tydfil - Cardiff
Timetable and Route Revisions:
Me27 (27) Merthyr Tydfil - Prince Charles Hospital
40 (40A, 40B, 40C) Brecon Locals
78 (78A, 78) Merthyr Tydfil - Pontypridd
79 (79) Merthyr Tydfil - Bedliniog
BrX15 (X15) Brynmawr - Newport
A few of the changes above are merely variations to improve the reliability of the service but, it seems, not all.
HTIOI,
Dave
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