ANPR Parking

Ianno87 · 17 Mar 2019

bramling said:
In the old days at the location I’m thinking of there was a simple automatic barrier at the exit where users put in a fee to get out. Apart from overstaying beyond one day, hard to evade payment and everyone knew where they stood.

Unfortunately it's more lucrative to catch people out.... I agree, wrong on many levels.

Same reason I suspect restricted through roads in central Cambridge had clear bollards you couldn't pass replaced with ANPR - catch out confused motorists.

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Ken H · 17 Mar 2019

victimising motorists was the touchpaper of the yellow vest protests in France...

AM9 · 17 Mar 2019

Class 172 Fan said:
It's craziness like this that allows big profits to the likes of Parking Lie (owned by Crapita).

Use your local council car park...at least they don't have ANPR (or use public transport to get to the station)

What is "Parking Lie owned by Crapita"?

themiller · 17 Mar 2019

Class 172 Fan said:
It's craziness like this that allows big profits to the likes of Parking Lie (owned by Crapita).

Use your local council car park...at least they don't have ANPR (or use public transport to get to the station)

The car park at Forum 28 (owned by the local council in Barrow in Furness but operated on their behalf by a national company) has ANPR! However last time I parked there, the automatic phone line didn’t recognise the location number on the side of the machine so I reported it and got the day’s parking free.

stuartl · 17 Mar 2019

It's the Parking Eye company, and it is no longer owned by Capita, they sold it off last year as part of their restructuring.

bramling · 17 Mar 2019

Ianno87 said:
Unfortunately it's more lucrative to catch people out.... I agree, wrong on many levels.

Same reason I suspect restricted through roads in central Cambridge had clear bollards you couldn't pass replaced with ANPR - catch out confused motorists.

Nail on head there, sadly.

Ianno87 · 17 Mar 2019

Ken H said:
victimising motorists was the touchpaper of the yellow vest protests in France...

I can live with it, as I know Cambridge well (although very nearly did drive through a bus gate one due to briefly getting disoriented - the signs/red tarmac stopped me)

It just smacks sometimes as a lazy money making opportunity, rather than to control traffic flows which should be the primary objective (I have no issue whatsover with the latter)

jopsuk · 17 Mar 2019

Ianno87 said:
Unfortunately it's more lucrative to catch people out.... I agree, wrong on many levels.

Same reason I suspect restricted through roads in central Cambridge had clear bollards you couldn't pass replaced with ANPR - catch out confused motorists.

The real reason there is that due to manufacturers going out of business and no-one stepping int to make compatible replacements, the County Council was no longer able to source the electronic tags that operated the bollards. The bollards were also unreliable and prone to failure, causing disruption when they needed to be fixed. The operation of the bollard, and the need for it to go down then back up between every vehicle, meant disruption espeically on Regent Street which has especially frequent bus services.

it is much easier to add permitted numberplates to the database and the "virtual gate" allows buses to pass through without stopping.

Ken H · 17 Mar 2019

jopsuk said:
The real reason there is that due to manufacturers going out of business and no-one stepping int to make compatible replacements, the County Council was no longer able to source the electronic tags that operated the bollards. The bollards were also unreliable and prone to failure, causing disruption when they needed to be fixed. The operation of the bollard, and the need for it to go down then back up between every vehicle, meant disruption espeically on Regent Street which has especially frequent bus services.

it is much easier to add permitted numberplates to the database and the "virtual gate" allows buses to pass through without stopping.

and make shedloads of money from fines

jopsuk · 17 Mar 2019

Ken H said:
and make shedloads of money from fines

That's an accusation with no proof, rather than (eg) the fact based reasons that were stated at the time.

Welly · 17 Mar 2019

I used the ANPR at Newark station earlier this month and I found the payment booth to be slightly unintuitive - I was asked if I wanted to pre-pay my fees when I was wanting to leave and the only other option was to cancel! Then I entered the time of my entry and exit manually then I was charged the proper fee. Poor interface design!

My workplace has ANPR and it is very unpopular with staff and visitors alike!

Devonman2014 · 17 Mar 2019

ANPR is also in use at all three Exeter St David’s Station car parks, don’t know about Costs to park as i live close enough to walk.

AM9 · 17 Mar 2019

stuartl said:
It's the Parking Eye company, and it is no longer owned by Capita, they sold it off last year as part of their restructuring.

Thanks for chipping in on that. It's a shame that Class 172 fan has a problem spelling things correctly though.

Tom Quinne · 17 Mar 2019

I love how a technology initially designed to detect IRA vehicles entering the City of London, and law enforcement is now used to monitor car parking for profit.

Ken H · 17 Mar 2019

Tom Quinne said:
I love how a technology initially designed to detect IRA vehicles entering the City of London, and law enforcement is now used to monitor car parking for profit.

internet was designed for the US military and is now used for porn!

Tom Quinne · 17 Mar 2019

Love it ! lol

bramling · 17 Mar 2019

AM9 said:
Thanks for chipping in on that. It's a shame that Class 172 fan has a problem spelling things correctly though.

Never heard Parking Eye called Parking Lie before?

It’s a bit like ThamesLink/ being altered to ShamblesLink/. It’s a humorous way of making a serious point.

bramling · 17 Mar 2019

jopsuk said:
That's an accusation with no proof, rather than (eg) the fact based reasons that were stated at the time.

What’s to stop them having ANPR linked to a whitelisted database which allows a barrier to open or close?

Bletchleyite · 17 Mar 2019

AM9 said:
Thanks for chipping in on that. It's a shame that Class 172 fan has a problem spelling things correctly though.

To be fair "Crapita" has been in the vernacular for a long, long time...

Bletchleyite · 17 Mar 2019

bramling said:
What’s to stop them having ANPR linked to a whitelisted database which allows a barrier to open or close?

The problem is that if you have a barrier you have to have staff on site in case it gets stuck. Camera enforcement can be done without staff.

Ken H · 17 Mar 2019

bramling said:
Never heard Parking Eye called Parking Lie before?

It’s a bit like ThamesLink/ being altered to ShamblesLink/. It’s a humorous way of making a serious point.

Notwork Rail (used to be notwork South East)

bramling · 17 Mar 2019

Ken H said:
Notwork Rail (used to be notwork South East)

“Worst Capital Connect” used to be another in common vocab in certain parts of the Home Counties. And didn’t WAGN even appear on the news with the MD asked why users called it “we are going nowhere”?

zuriblue · 17 Mar 2019

Ken H said:
internet was designed for the US military and is now used for porn!

And cats.

Brush 4 · 17 Mar 2019

AM9 knew full well the correct spelling and that they were deliberate, not spelling mistakes. As others have said, there are others. Notwork Rail, Chris Failing, Failtrack, Fail for anything that should be Rail, ancient ones like S&D, Slow and Dirty
I just won't park in charging car parks anywhere. The walk is good exercise and the smug feeling of beating the system worth it every time.

jopsuk · 17 Mar 2019

bramling said:
What’s to stop them having ANPR linked to a whitelisted database which allows a barrier to open or close?

because then every vehicle has to stop (one of the downsides of the previous bollards) and you're back to the "the barrier might break down" issues again

dgl · 17 Mar 2019

Part of the solution is to have what my gran has at her local tip, it has ANPR but with an led display that shows your reg. no. (as red by it's camera) as you go past.

Bevan Price · 17 Mar 2019

bramling said:
Ha!

Parking is a cowboy industry. At a location I know where there’s a staff car park inside the ANPR station car park there’s been no end of trouble going on for a good couple of years since the wretched cameras went in, staff getting penalty charge notices for parking in their own car park despite having correctly advised the parking contractor of their details and supposedly being whitelisted.

One disturbing thing is that even when they admit to issuing a notice in error, they still try the trick of offering to reduce the penalty to £10. The whole thing has attracted attention from quite senior level, especially after having been cited as a contributory factor in a safety-related train incident (driver’s break spent chasing up a spurious penalty notice and then being stressed when on the train due to the argument), yet still it goes on.

Then we’ve also had cars manually ticketed for occupying a designated staff bay, despite having a permit clearly and correctly displayed, or ticketed claiming the vehicle was straddling lines despite CCTV clearly showing otherwise. Again, the whole appeals process is designed to be as difficult and awkward as possible, and even when bang to rights they still try every possible trick not to cancel the incorrectly issued notices.

If I were government one of the first things I’d do is completely destroy and smash to shreds the parking industry. It’s one thing people choosing to drive into privately owned car parks and abiding by whatever terms, conditions or systems the owner wishes to run, however in my view this shouldn’t apply at railway stations which are de facto public property.

I would make it illegal for vehicle ownership details to be supplied to anyone other than police & official security departments (and mandatory sacking for gross misconduct for anyone with access who illegally released details to unauthorised organisations.)

TheEdge · 17 Mar 2019

dgl said:
Part of the solution is to have what my gran has at her local tip, it has ANPR but with an led display that shows your reg. no. (as red by it's camera) as you go past.

Its been a long time since the ANPR camera at my local Sainsburys has successfully read and displayed my number plate correctly. And its a normal plastic single line non personalised LLNN LLL style plate.

theageofthetra · 18 Mar 2019

Bletchleyite said:
There's nothing wrong with ANPR - it has many benefits, not least the ability to do pay on exit without needing a barrier and therefore staff on site. Pay on exit is the best parking system because it removes guesswork on how long you're staying and you can't accidentally overstay.

The thing that's wrong is these companies.

Plenty wrong with ANPR - Doesn't enforce fines on cars with foreign plates for a start or those illegally positioned to be missed by them.

ic31420 · 18 Mar 2019

Bevan Price said:
I would make it illegal for vehicle ownership details to be supplied to anyone other than police & official security departments (and mandatory sacking for gross misconduct for anyone with access who illegally released details to unauthorised organisations.)

Plenty of legitimate reasons why others need access. I've used the system after people have damaged my property and driven off,f after minor collisions and for petrol stations to follow up drive offs with civil recovery to name but a few.

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