Wherry lines resignalling postponed.

dk1 · 7 Mar 2019

Trainfan344 said:
From google maps; a Scaffolding platform at the end of the current branch, with a footpath up to the road bridge, cross the lines on the bridge and then room for a footpath next to the running line with a fence up to the end of the car park? Not sure what visibility is like for road users or if it'd be very safe. But it's one solution and a heck of a lot cheaper than moving all the lines around.

Best stick to changing trains at Brundall as advised.

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dk1 · 7 Mar 2019

Trainfan344 said:
From google maps; a Scaffolding platform at the end of the current branch, with a footpath up to the road bridge, cross the lines on the bridge and then room for a footpath next to the running line with a fence up to the end of the car park? Not sure what visibility is like for road users or if it'd be very safe. But it's one solution and a heck of a lot cheaper than moving all the lines around.

PS I checked as I was driving a train through today. No room for a footpath next to any running line even at 1950s H&S standards let alone today.

Trainfan344 · 7 Mar 2019

Oh well then.

Rick1984 · 7 Mar 2019

always thought the layout at Reedham was a bit odd. Was there a reason for the GY branch running alongside the Lowestoft route as a 3rd line?

dk1 · 8 Mar 2019

Rick1984 said:
always thought the layout at Reedham was a bit odd. Was there a reason for the GY branch running alongside the Lowestoft route as a 3rd line?

May have been to save having a third box there as the location where routes diverge is quite a way from the station and would have been a difficult pull of the points. Also a lot of activity took place in the station area where trains where attached/divided. There where many sidings too on the up side near the box that stored seasonal wagons for traffic such as fish/sugar beet.

Tio Terry · 8 Mar 2019

dk1 said:
May have been to save having a third box there as the location where routes diverge is quite a way from the station and would have been a difficult pull of the points. Also a lot of activity took place in the station area where trains where attached/divided. There where many sidings too on the up side near the box that stored seasonal wagons for traffic such as fish/sugar beet.

There was, at one time, quite a lot of cattle traffic to Reedham - and Acle - and there were cattle pens at both locations. Cattle used to be transported from Scotland to escape the worst of the winter and would be driven out on to the marshes to winter on the grass there. Then returned during the spring.

dk1 · 8 Mar 2019

Tio Terry said:
There was, at one time, quite a lot of cattle traffic to Reedham - and Acle - and there were cattle pens at both locations. Cattle used to be transported from Scotland to escape the worst of the winter and would be driven out on to the marshes to winter on the grass there. Then returned during the spring.

I think also that Reedham once had an island platform but was rebuilt as the railways expanded and the line to Lowestoft opened. There where early plans for a second junction on the Cantley side with a direct line going off to Beccles.

dk1 · 8 Mar 2019

Kite159 said:
That will be interesting over the summer months seeing as both routes get used to give Yarmouth a rough half hourly service.

Perfect half hourly service will operate in the up direction with trains departing Yarmouth at 17 & 47 the latter non-stop. Down non-stop trains however will have to wait anything from 8-15 mins at Acle to pass the xx:17 up service. The longest wait are those that cannot leave Norwich at xx:06 due to Lowestoft departures at 10:05/12:05/14:05 & have to depart 09:57/11:57/13:57.

Class 170101 · 8 Mar 2019

dk1 said:
Perfect half hourly service will operate in the up direction with trains departing Yarmouth at 17 & 47 the latter non-stop. Down non-stop trains however will have to wait anything from 8-15 mins at Acle to pass the xx:17 up service. The longest wait are those that cannot leave Norwich at xx:06 due to Lowestoft departures at 10:05/12:05/14:05 & have to depart 09:57/11:57/13:57.

Shame they didn't call at intermediate stations to eat up the time instead.

dk1 · 8 Mar 2019

Class 170101 said:
Shame they didn't call at intermediate stations to eat up the time instead.

Might as well of done & slowed down to view Brundall Bridge Box too :smile:

I will be taking in all the sights & driving along like it's a Sunday on a B road.

Tio Terry · 8 Mar 2019

dk1 said:
Might as well of done & slowed down to view Brundall Bridge Box too I will be taking in all the sights & driving along like it's a Sunday on a B road.

Brundall Bridge box? Is that Brundall Junction?

38Cto15E · 9 Mar 2019

No, after Brundall Jct on the Great Yarmouth line via Acle, after about half a mile on the right is Brundall Bridge Box in the back garden of a property next to the line.
Very nice it is too, I am not sure if there is a layout upstairs.

What is the rate of the gradient from Brundall Jct towards Lingwood, it makes the DRS 37's sound awesome.

LAX54 · 9 Mar 2019

brick60000 said:
What's the logic of downgrading Cantley to a gate box, given it will remain staffed anyway? Lower pay grade with crossing keepers employed instead of the existing signallers?

Will signals there be done away with, or will they stay to protect the crossing?

At Reedham Junction you will save the cost of 4 Signalmen, (plus no A/L or Lieu Leave to cover) and at Cantley, it will be easier to man with a crossing keeper, than it is with a Signalman.

Of course at the moment Reedham Junction, could just be called Reedham

Think it is a Contractors problem with the Power and /or software, understand they have also had issues elsewhere in the Country ?

I suppose looking at March 2020 for commissioning, problem will arise trying to get testers to make it all work and pass fit for use.

In the Summer don't know why they cannot, for the few trains that run that line, have a 'one train in steam' type operation, must be better than nothing, as far as I am aware there are already Temp Stops at the Reedham end.

Yarmouth - Berney - Yarmouth.

dk1 · 9 Mar 2019

swills said:
At Reedham Junction you will save the cost of 4 Signalmen, (plus no A/L or Lieu Leave to cover) and at Cantley, it will be easier to man with a crossing keeper, than it is with a Signalman.

Of course at the moment Reedham Junction, could just be called Reedham

Think it is a Contractors problem with the Power and /or software, understand they have also had issues elsewhere in the Country ?

I suppose looking at March 2020 for commissioning, problem will arise trying to get testers to make it all work and pass fit for use.

In the Summer don't know why they cannot, for the few trains that run that line, have a 'one train in steam' type operation, must be better than nothing, as far as I am aware there are already Temp Stops at the Reedham end.

Yarmouth - Berney - Yarmouth.

From what I can see it's just some blocks & a stop board between Church Dam & the old first home. With the unit situation as it is there would be nothing available to work the Berney shuttle & not enough marginal time in turnarounds on those via Acle. No messroom facilities for traincrew at Vauxhall anymore so driver/guard diagrams would have to be interworked with Norwich services. Anything would also need DfT funding I would imagine.

BS56 · 9 Mar 2019

If they can run the service smoothly with the block section being Brundall Junction to Reedham swing bridge then Cantley signal box is not required but of course the LC is the problem it not being suitable for Auto-half barriers and so the more expensive and complex type of crossing is the only choice in the future.
It looks like track remodelling might take place in a couple weeks at Brundall junction and at Lowestoft or have these been cancelled also ?

pdeaves · 12 Mar 2019

Gus said:
What is the rate of the gradient from Brundall Jct towards Lingwood, it makes the DRS 37's sound awesome

According to a plan I have;
1:100 up for about 65ch, then
1:242 up for about 30ch, then
1:115 up for about 35ch, then
level to Lingwood station and beyond (the station is about 40ch from the gradient change)

Baxenden Bank · 19 Mar 2019

NRE added yesterday (18/3/2019)
No trains between Reedham and Great Yarmouth from Monday 18 March until February 2020.

No hurry to fix it then.

What is the delay?

Did someone forget to include a turnout for Yarmouth in the new Reedham track layout?

Are we looking at another Etruria, Wedgwood, Barlaston and Norton Bridge here, but without any attempt at replacement services prior to formal closure notices in five years time?

Prove the timetable works via Acle then go for closure?

38Cto15E · 19 Mar 2019

pdeaves said:
According to a plan I have;
1:100 up for about 65ch, then
1:242 up for about 30ch, then
1:115 up for about 35ch, then
level to Lingwood station and beyond (the station is about 40ch from the gradient change)

Thanks very much for that update pdeaves

dk1 · 19 Mar 2019

Baxenden Bank said:
Did someone forget to include a turnout for Yarmouth in the new Reedham track layout?

Not sure why you would put that. The layout at Reedham is complete clearly with the crossover up to down & the turnout for Berney.

HLE · 19 Mar 2019

I daresay some signallers have been relocated or retired when the resignalling started. Can't be a short job to train even existing signallers on these older style lever boxes.

Reedhams always seemed to be in the middle of nowhere, even during the summer. Wouldn't fancy getting down those lanes during the snow!

Class 170101 · 19 Mar 2019

Baxenden Bank said:
NRE added yesterday (18/3/2019)
No trains between Reedham and Great Yarmouth from Monday 18 March until February 2020.

No hurry to fix it then.

What is the delay?

Did someone forget to include a turnout for Yarmouth in the new Reedham track layout?

Are we looking at another Etruria, Wedgwood, Barlaston and Norton Bridge here, but without any attempt at replacement services prior to formal closure notices in five years time?

Prove the timetable works via Acle then go for closure?

Good luck running a Rail Replacement Bus to Berney Arms, or between Reedham and Great Yarmouth come to that.

HLE · 20 Mar 2019

Class 170101 said:
Good luck running a Rail Replacement Bus to Berney Arms, or between Reedham and Great Yarmouth come to that.

Minibus possibly for Reedham but would be a waste of time and money, probably cart fresh air around for most of the day.

BS56 · 20 Mar 2019

Had this been a relay interlocking none of this would have happened most S&T staff are familiar with it and have been for years . Surely they could have put together a small IFS panel to control three points and six? stop signals plus about dozen track circuits / axle counters in Reedham junction box in the interim period?
But in the end it all comes down to money and this is the cheaper option as they are not going to loose much keeping it closed . But aside from this new fangled interlocking system they are having trouble with have they finished work on the level crossings yet ?

dk1 · 20 Mar 2019

BS56 said:
Had this been a relay interlocking none of this would have happened most S&T staff are familiar with it and have been for years . Surely they could have put together a small IFS panel to control three points and six? stop signals plus about dozen track circuits / axle counters in Reedham junction box in the interim period?
But in the end it all comes down to money and this is the cheaper option as they are not going to loose much keeping it closed . But aside from this new fangled interlocking system they are having trouble with have they finished work on the level crossings yet ?

Maybe some cosmetic work done on the level crossings but nothing so as you would really notice. Brundall, Strumpshaw, Cantley, Chapel Road & Station Road are still manually operated manned gates.

BS56 · 20 Mar 2019

Just I thought! there are other issues to be sorted out I wonder how the locals feel about there level crossings being updated ?

dk1 · 20 Mar 2019

BS56 said:
Just I thought! there are other issues to be sorted out I wonder how the locals feel about there level crossings being updated ?

Probably not happy exactly as I am not living in Brundall but what does mine or anyone else's opinion matter? It won't change anything.

randyrippley · 20 Mar 2019

Class 170101 said:
Good luck running a Rail Replacement Bus to Berney Arms, or between Reedham and Great Yarmouth come to that.

RRB.........Rail Replacement Barge?

Class 170101 · 20 Mar 2019

HLE said:
Minibus possibly for Reedham but would be a waste of time and money, probably cart fresh air around for most of the day.

Either bus to Acle and then train from there or bus Lowestoft to Yarmouth and route Reedham passengers that way.

90sWereBetter · 21 Mar 2019

Anyone know if next week's blockade is still going ahead, and if so will it get rid of the 30mph restriction between Buckenham and Cantley?

alholmes · 22 Mar 2019

90sWereBetter said:
Anyone know if next week's blockade is still going ahead, and if so will it get rid of the 30mph restriction between Buckenham and Cantley?

Yes, it’s still going ahead. A lot of preparatory work going on at Brundall yesterday, with new track panels trackside.

Wherry lines resignalling postponed.

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