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I'm amazed they are still falling at regular intervals although I also know that as they do and as I get closer to clearing them, it will become like a wild goose chase

Thanks for the help re Crewe Electric. I will have to have a jaunt along the Chester line to head past and see what can be seen from the train

Maybe a Cheshire Day Ranger trip (with another ticket for Stafford - Stoke/Crewe), would allow you to pick off Merseyrail bits as well as other Northern stuff.
 
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Maybe a Cheshire Day Ranger trip (with another ticket for Stafford - Stoke/Crewe), would allow you to pick off Merseyrail bits as well as other Northern stuff.

I did the Cheshire Day Ranger earlier this week but there is engineering works affecting Merseyrail out of Chester (there is basically a shuttle running between there and Hooton with bustitutes beyond) so I decided against heading out that way. I will have to revisit that plan once services are back to normal
 

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I suspect they will sit there forever, maybe one or two might escape but like those 60s at Toton they will never turn a wheel in anger again
Ye of very little faith...

4x stored 60s at Crewe being prepped for road transport to Toton for overhaul and reinstatement. Have been sold to Cappagh/DCR. Might not be the only departures from the Crewe storage lines...

Meanwhile, 90021 is still in Scotrail and in on the far left of this recent photo. However it’s no longer in that spot... o_O

https://flic.kr/p/2f1KGDz
 

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Ye of very little faith...

4x stored 60s at Crewe being prepped for road transport to Toton for overhaul and reinstatement. Have been sold to Cappagh/DCR. Might not be the only departures from the Crewe storage lines...

Meanwhile, 90021 is still in Scotrail and in on the far left of this recent photo. However it’s no longer in that spot... o_O

https://flic.kr/p/2f1KGDz

Thanks for the info Tim. Good news about the 60s although it's interesting that DCR have chosen some that are at Crewe and then moved them to Toton considering how many are at Toton presently. Is this simply because the ones at Crewe in better shape to get back to working order?

I will defend @Kite159 though, as his response was about the 90s not moving from there......unless you have good news about these as well?

Love that photo. What vantage point did you use to grab that?
 

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Thanks for the info Tim. Good news about the 60s although it's interesting that DCR have chosen some that are at Crewe and then moved them to Toton considering how many are at Toton presently. Is this simply because the ones at Crewe in better shape to get back to working order?
The 60s were the ones DB chose to put up for sale - the potential buyers (of which DCR were one and the successful ones) didn't have a free choice of those in store at Toton/Crewe. The six at Crewe have been stored since late 2008, however they were kept under cover in Crewe Diesel depot until 2014, so on the whole are in better nick that some of their Toton counterparts. They've also likely benefited from being at a depot that doesn't maintain 60s, so less likely to have been robbed for parts over the years. Toton is pretty much the only place that can restore/maintain 60s, hence they're getting moved (by road) there to be brought back into traffic.

I will defend @Kite159 though, as his response was about the 90s not moving from there......unless you have good news about these as well?
I was aware what Kite's response was about. Will say no more ;)

Love that photo. What vantage point did you use to grab that?
From the Wistaston Road Industrial Estate, looking through the Network Rail compound.
 

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Nearly caught up now as we head into March which has included my first serious venture out for 2019. However, to bring us up to that day out first I will update a couple of ventures to the local starting on 7th March where a wander to town allowed me to witness 37402 and 37425 taking some new flasks to Crewe Coal Siding having come out of Shirebrook Davis & Son that morning. That tempted me onto the platform as I headed home from town and I was immediately rewarded with yet another winner working the Southampton to Halewood empty car wagons, this time it being 66128 heading into the book. I had nothing to rush home for so I decided to hang around for a few hours, passing the time reading my book whilst marking down dud after dud but it was a late evening flask movement that caught my eye and as I was still hunting 68033 to complete the DRS liveried fleet (just the TPE and ScotRail to then find) I decided to chance my arm and wait for it. It was getting on for 8pm and becoming very cold when it rolled through but it was proven to be a good decision as 68033 was working with 68003 as they headed towards Crewe. No klaxons but a mini success none the less

Full list from this outing below:

37: 37402, 37425
66: 66001, 66128, 66424, 66519, 66556, 66563, 66605, 66730, 66766
68: 68003, 68033
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: 70007, 70010
90: 90044, 90046
220: 220013, 220014, 220018, 220028, 220034
221: 221129, 221133, 221134, 221135, 221138, 221139
350: 350103, 350118, 350123, 350124, 350125, 350233, 350238, 350240, 350243, 350246, 350265, 350368, 350373
390: 390039, 390042, 390049, 390121, 390125
OTMs: DR73906

My 2nd trip to the local came on the 11th and was a bit of a prelude to my planned day out the following day. It was another trip that saw me off to a good start as the Cliffe Vale clay empties were hauled back to Bescot by 66151. Still plenty of sheds to find but the required list is slowly becoming lighter and lighter. There wasn't much else to get excited about until 66744 passed through working the GBRf containers from Trafford Park to Felixstowe. It was the first time in a long time that this working had thrown up a winner for me and it would prove to be the last one for today as everything else went into the dud book including 66727 looking resplendent in its Maritime livery and 66730 which was still on the Garston cars.

Full list of what I sighted below:

66: 66151, 66426, 66533, 66534, 66727, 66730, 66744, 66775, 66957
70: 70002, 70007
220: 220002, 220009, 220013, 220015, 220020
221: 221104, 221106, 221109, 221111, 221118, 221120, 221129, 221133, 221139, 221140
350: 350112, 350113, 350128, 350129, 350130, 350231, 350234, 350245, 350251, 350253, 350262, 350267, 350374
390: 390001, 390002, 390005, 390009, 390010, 390013, 390016, 390020, 390043, 390044, 390103, 390107, 390115, 390117, 390119, 390128, 390131, 390132, 390148, 390156

I will hopefully have my trip report from my Cheshire Day Ranger outing posted over the weekend
 

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True dedication, even bothering to note the numbers of Voyagers and Pendos!
 

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True dedication, even bothering to note the numbers of Voyagers and Pendos!

I'd stopped doing it once I knew I'd cleared them but it gives me something to do whilst waiting for freight at the local haha.

Maybe I can see how many times I can clear the sets ;):E
 

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Oh you don't want to do that, you'll get bored rather quickly doing that! I once, and I kid you not, was out and about so often when I lived in Swansea that I was marking off HST trailers for use of lavatories and if I'd boarded or alighted from that trailer! That didn't last long, I also did wagon spotting for a fair bit of time before that drove me mad too. Bear in mind back then in the mid 2000s I was out and about almost every single day. Even if it was just quick spins out to Neath, Port Talbot or wherever. I was in Cardiff tons, but then a FGW Only day return with my railcard back then was less than £4 for a 90-odd mile round trip. You'd be daft not to take advantage!

Anyway, enough of me rambling on (I'm bored waiting for checkout at 9am from my hostel in Sydney), nice work on the continued clearout of 66s. They're a mission and a half the nearer the end you get!
 

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Oh you don't want to do that, you'll get bored rather quickly doing that! I once, and I kid you not, was out and about so often when I lived in Swansea that I was marking off HST trailers for use of lavatories and if I'd boarded or alighted from that trailer! That didn't last long, I also did wagon spotting for a fair bit of time before that drove me mad too. Bear in mind back then in the mid 2000s I was out and about almost every single day. Even if it was just quick spins out to Neath, Port Talbot or wherever. I was in Cardiff tons, but then a FGW Only day return with my railcard back then was less than £4 for a 90-odd mile round trip. You'd be daft not to take advantage!

Anyway, enough of me rambling on (I'm bored waiting for checkout at 9am from my hostel in Sydney), nice work on the continued clearout of 66s. They're a mission and a half the nearer the end you get!
I can imagine you stood there, desperately trying to make yourself go just to mark off a required bog!
 

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nice work on the continued clearout of 66s. They're a mission and a half the nearer the end you get!

Tell me about it 66181 is still required of the original 250. I still need around 25 sheds in their various guises in total, thankfully I managed to scratch off 66572 and 66785 this year, so it's not been all bad.
Nice to see your still roping them in though. As usual a cracking read.
 

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Tell me about it 66181 is still required of the original 250. I still need around 25 sheds in their various guises in total, thankfully I managed to scratch off 66572 and 66785 this year, so it's not been all bad.
Nice to see your still roping them in though. As usual a cracking read.
Im down to about twenty sheds myself its getting quite hard now to nail them down.
With the only traffic db have through your neck of the woods being the mossend to tees intermodal and the georgmas pipes which is restricted to the small number of retb fitted locos you might need a trip down to tees or somewhere to get it.
66181 currently at calvert seems to be working down south and off margam for ages before that.
 

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As usual, I'm playing catch-up.
Some very good moves there.
As for what you can and can't count, you make up your own rules.
For me, if it's powering, it counts - I've been on enough HSTs with dead power cars and units with engines out to know what a difference that makes to performance.
Having said that, I don't consider a DMU fully cleared until I've ridden in all its coaches, had it for over ten miles and got a photo of it!
 

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I once was on a mission to get a photo of all the FGW HST nameplates, folllowing the Ufton Nervet accident, so I understand that 55013. I also at the very beginning of the hobby only ticked something off in my book if I had a photo or video clip of it.

Now bearing in mind that was in late 2003/early 2004 and film cameras were still ruling the roost, with digital cameras still improving their technology. So my little Casio digital camera, bought when Dixons was still a shop on the High Street (yes really!) could only do 30 second video clips. Without sound. I remember being at Kings Cross and didn't have time for a photo of a 91 departing, so I did a video clip instead. As it didn't cover the whole train's departure, I scribbled out the tick in my book and it took some time to find that 91 again!

Sadly almost all photos from that early era have been lost, I have a few floating around from early 2004. I think it was my Casio camera that had that cool feature of doing a split photo. So in one half of the photo you had one scene and the other another scene, which made it nice and easy to take photos of Voyagers and their nameplates. Yes that's more nostalgia there, nameplates on Voyagers!

Oh to be able to go back to those days with modern technology and all the knowledge from the last 15 years, I'd be able to record so much more stuff. 170s at Liverpool Street, 312s in their dying days on the GEML, 86s on Anglia being just 3 examples!
 

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Cheshire Day Ranger - Tuesday 12th March 2019

Part 1 - into Liverpool I go

A last minute call was made to venture out for my first big trip of 2019. Bristol and Cardiff was my main choice but, having found decent priced tickets, I fortunately remembered that my day of choice also coincided with the opening day of this year's Cheltenham Festival. Journeys with race goers was not high up my list of things to do, so I decided to head in a northerly direction by making use of the Cheshire Day Ranger.

My day didn't start as early as most of my outings owing to the fact that I only needed to make it to Crewe to get into the Ranger area and this couldn't be used before 9am. My trip started at Stafford with the 0824 to Liverpool Lime Street taking me as far as Crewe and it was a decent start as 390137 arrived to receive a tick in the 'haulage' category
VTWC Pendolino 390137 arriving into Stafford by The_Train

My arrival into Crewe got my day off to a flyer as a couple of Colas 56s sat in Basford Hall saw 56096 into the book and although 56105 was dud, any Colas additions are always welcome. 710103, which I'd seen a few days earlier passing the local, was sat outside the LNWR depot and a couple of TPE mk5 units were also dotted around along with a couple of TPE liveried cats - none of which I could ID unfortunately. Generally the carriage sidings opposite don't tend to throw much up whenever I pass (apart from the rusting carriages of course) but today was very different as I was rewarded with the sight of 92020 looking resplendent in its GBRf livery having recently been brought back to life after many years out of action. Another blast from the past was 45231 "Sherwood Forester" which was also stabled there and up against the newly built Locomotive Services depot was 47841. A nice treble to get things up and running and Crewe wasn't finished there as my first steps onto the platform were welcomed by my first sighting of a new Northern 195. It was sat over in platform 12 and I needed to head over there to ID it and was able to chalk off 195110 which had arrived from Allerton Depot and was waiting to head towards Liverpool South Parkway
Northern Trains 195110 waits at Crewe by The_Train

Dud 57307 was stabled in the station awaiting it's rescue call should any stranded Pendolino or Voyager require it but it wasn't long before another winner was noted with 319381 forming a service towards the North West. It was time for my next move towards Manchester but not before 175107 became the next winner as it worked a service towards Wales before 390136 became my 2nd winner for haulage of the day. I did t have to wait for arrival into Piccadilly before I was able to claim my next winner as I nabbed 319366 while we made our call at Stockport but it was clock watching time as an already tight connection at Manchester was getting tighter as a 3 down arrival left me with 5 minutes to get across to the through platforms. I made my way to the door well before arrival into Manchester and as we crept into the terminus we caught up with 319369 which was an added bonus. My decision to sit in a front carriage paid dividends as a quick escape from the Pendolino and a dash across Piccadilly saw me arrive onto platform 14 just as 67014 pulled in to start the 0953 service to Holyhead. It wasn't required for sight (one of the coaches - 12185 - was though) but was definitely required for haulage, as was 82308 at the other end, and I certainly enjoyed the noise the 67 made from my seat in the front carriage. To add to this enjoyment I was also able to pick up another winner on route as 319362 was chalked off as we called at Oxford Road. I'd originally planned to take this all the way to Chester but engineering works on the Merseyrail network meant there were limited services out of Chester so instead I opted to jump off at Warrington Bank Quay
67012 at Warrington Bank Quay by The_Train

This proved to be a good call as, after enjoying a bit of banter with the Costa staff there, 66154 passed through working light from Arpley to Seaforth
66154 runs through Warrington Bank Quay by The_Train

319378 arrived into platform 1 with a terminating service from Liverpool before heading out to perform a reverse manoeuvre so that it could start it's next journey from platform 4. It so happened that this would be the service to Liverpool which I was waiting for so this particular 319 became a winner for everything
Northern 319378 at Warrington Bank Quay by The_Train

Just before we departed dud 66772 arrived with an Avonmouth to Clitheroe cement working but that would be the final act from Warrington as we were soon on our way. There was little of interest in the early part of the journey to Liverpool so I passed the time with the crossword in the metro but that was soon forgotten as we entered the Edge Hill area. There was little in the form of units but 60002 and 60056, looking good in the GBRf livery, were at the head of biomass trains. 66741 was also parked up but I was more interested in DR73921 as this was another winner. I had no plans to hang around Lime Street once we arrived so once I'd had a quick comfort break, I was off for my first venture on the Merseyrail network. I headed down into the depths of Lime Street where I was able to jump on 507016 for the short hop to Liverpool Central. I stayed on the Wirral Line platform for 90 minutes or so and was able to chalk off these winners....

507: 507001, 507002, 507006, 507014, 507015, 507025, 506031, 507032
508
: 508110, 508124, 508128, 508130, 508139, 508143

Units were starting to make a return to Central so I decided this was my cue to move on. I headed off to the Northern line platforms where I jumped on 508120 for another short hop, this time back into the open at Sandhills were I ticked off the following Merseyrail units:

507: 507003, 507008, 507011, 507013, 507019, 507020, 507023, 507028, 507030
508: 508104, 508111, 508112, 508117, 508126, 508127, 508140

507031 arrives at Sandhills by The_Train

I felt as though I'd not given Sandhills enough time but a few units had started to reappear in both directions and I was conscious about the next part of my day and a need to get back to Lime Street so I jumped on 507011 and very quickly jumped back off again at Moorfield where I changed back into the depths of the Wirral Line for the short run back to Lime Street, 507001 doing the honours. Having made it back to being on top of the planet as opposed to inside it, I did a quick round up of all of the units parked up in the platforms and was able to nail another 5 winners with 156428, 156468, 142094, 150101 and 156459 helping to eat away at my Northern requirements. After another quick comfort break (too much coffee me thinks) 319386 became yet another Northern unit to fall before TPE 185126 became my latest haulage although it wasn't required for sight nor haulage. A busy service towards Newcastle meant it was standing room only for my jaunt into Manchester and with little to note, except for dud 185108 at Newton-le-Willows, I spent the time reflecting on the 54 winners I'd bagged already and wondering what my first visit to Manchester Victoria would throw up.

Tune in next time to find out........
 

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At Sandhills the Kirkby services return first (IIRC it's only got 3 units on those services), followed by the Ormskirks then finally the Southport - Hunts Cross services.

A good start of the day with all those winners
 

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Great stuff Mr Train,
I do like a Cheshire Day Ranger, a trip up to Chester with the skip, would've taken you round the back of of Arpley, where's there's sometimes dome DB sheds parked up, think.there was about half a dozen, when I was last down there. Also the direct route to Chester from Crewe takes you past Crewe Electric, where there's some of the demic class 90s and odd 92 easily viewed as you pass, worth noting when you do another. Also you pass the Mersey Rail depot on the route to up to New Brighton, just outside Birkenhead North, there's also an Asda visible and no more than about 5mins walk, as you walk off Birkenhead North station, should you be in need of a supply raid too.
54 winners so far, is a great haul, I expect at least 20 more from Piccadilly, even more if you wander off the platform and go tram hunting too.
God 57307 plagues me up and down the West Coast, I can't stand the bodysnatchers at the best of times and Lady Pen is a major bug bear of mine, mainly cos I keep seeing the damn thing, I've seen it, at Carlisle, Preston, Crewe and Nuneaton, i just despair when i see any 57 but Lady Pen, i just look at it and think, oh sweet bloody Jesus, not you again. Then I think, poor 47225, what have they done to you. I had well over a 100 miles of happy memories behind 47225, however it was banger blue them days. So that shows you how long ago that was too.
 
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Great stuff Mr Train,
I do like a Cheshire Day Ranger, a trip up to Chester with the skip, would've taken you round the back of of Arpley, where's there's sometimes dome DB sheds parked up, think.there was about half a dozen, when I was last down there. Also the direct route to Chester from Crewe takes you past Crewe Electric, where there's some of the demic class 90s and odd 92 easily viewed as you pass, worth noting when you do another. Also you pass the Mersey Rail depot on the route to up to New Brighton, just outside Birkenhead North, there's also an Asda visible and no more than about 5mins walk, as you walk off Birkenhead North station, should you be in need of a supply raid too.
54 winners so far, is a great haul, I expect at least 20 more from Piccadilly, even more if you wander off the platform and go tram hunting too.
God 57307 plagues me up and down the West Coast, I can't stand the bodysnatchers at the best of times and Lady Pen is a major bug bear of mine, mainly cos I keep seeing the damn thing, I've seen it, at Carlisle, Preston, Crewe and Nuneaton, i just despair when i see any 57 but Lady Pen, i just look at it and think, oh sweet bloody Jesus, not you again. Then I think, poor 47225, what have they done to you. I had well over a 100 miles of happy memories behind 47225, however it was banger blue them days. So that shows you how long ago that was too.

When I originally planned the Cheshire Ranger my first idea was to run from Crewe to Chester so that I can go past Crewe Electric. However, the loco haulage from Crewe is before 9am so I had to pick one or the other and getting behind a loco won me over. Chester was then curtailed totally when I found out the Merseyrail stuff from there was basically running to Hooton and back with buses going beyond there. Planned engineering work I later found out. I will probably do another one soon anyway as I'd like to get through the Merseyrail stuff but will wait for the engineering works to finish so that Chester can be included.

As for 57307, I think Lady Pen looked better in her Virgin livery but here she is none the less, just for you............;)
Thunderbird 57307 at Crewe by The_Train
 

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The good lady definitely looked better in Virgin colours! Still, DRS colours are carried well by her as well!

An exceptionally good bit of success there in part 1, looking forward to the rest when it's ready!
 

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Reassuring to hear that you prioritised bashing the Skip over spotting the rotting carcasses of 90s at Crewe :)

Still not sure about claiming a piece of coaching stock with a cab at the end (82308) being dragged at the back of your train for haulage :s

Sounds like you had a good time on Merseyside. Of course, you'll have to go back once the 507s and 508s are replaced with new units.
 

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Still not sure about claiming a piece of coaching stock with a cab at the end (82308) being dragged at the back of your train for haulage :s

Its just part of the set I was travelling on so gets a tick for me. I suppose technically (based on what you're saying) a DVT is never going to provide haulage whether it's at the back or front. And aren't the majority of the UK's rolling stock now just pieces of coaching stock with a cab at the end? ;)

Sounds like you had a good time on Merseyside. Of course, you'll have to go back once the 507s and 508s are replaced with new units.

I will need to go back before the 507s and 508s are replaced to get all of those ticked off before I worry about the new stock. When are these likely to go off lease?
 

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And aren't the majority of the UK's rolling stock now just pieces of coaching stock with a cab at the end?

Sadly, yes. But I can understand people counting those that are self-propelled (i.e. DMUs and EMUs) for 'haulage', although 'movage' might be a better word.. But of course, each to their own
 

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Well thank you for that pic of Lady Pen, Mr Train, just in case I'd forgot what it looks like:rolleyes:;) and of the one of 66181 too. Nice to see that 66181 is moving at least.
Here's a nice pic of Lady Pen, in its better days, courtesy and permission of Darren Ford.
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Now doesn't that look much much better.
 

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The Warrington BQ to Liverpool Lime St doesn't appear to offer much nowadays, but it's a darn historic route in railway terms. Just after Winwick Junction (where the WCML splits off), you would have passed the site of the old Vulcan Works, birthplace of many a loco, including lots of the Whistlers. Later on you pass through Rainhill, site of the eponymous trials with The Rocket and all. I went to the 150 year anniversary of that - will be 200 soon!!

Oh, and just after Newton-le-Willows when you went to Manchester Victoria you passed the site of the first person killed by a train. Mr Huskisson MP.
 

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IIRC a Cheshire Rover is valid as far as Shotton, so in theory you could do Crewe - Chester - Shotton - Bidston - Liverpud.

Although some of the connections at Shotton are a tad pants.
 

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Lord Kite of the Southern Shires is correct, a Cheshire Day Ranger is valid to Shotton, up the Borderlands line to Bidston and over to West Kirby.

47403, gotta agree that 47 looks better than the 57 by some measure! A no-heat 47 will always be better than a 57 though. I've just reminded myself of some of my 47 bashing, and one of those is 47810 Crewe to Holyhead. That departure from Colwyn Bay in particular will take some beating! To this day (and this was 13 years or more ago) I remember @heart-of-wessex going to the lavvy at just the wrong time and my bellowing at the front droplight about it. I did manage to pick up my jaw off the ballast before we moved too far :lol:

My experience of no-hear 47s is limited to heritage lines sadly. Wrong era for me!
 

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Ecellent trip reports, tge planned maintenance, is that due to making the platforms ready for the 777's?
As for haulage especially the DVT, my friend and myself used to deliberately get on at the first class end, see if the guard was in his office, then that would get the DVT and then walk down the rake of carriages. Of course that was when they were on the west coast.
I also walk the length of units to get all the carriages, apart from 1st class on pendo's, the staff don't like you doing that!
 

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47403, gotta agree that 47 looks better than the 57 by some measure! A no-heat 47 will always be better than a 57 though. I've just reminded myself of some of my 47 bashing, and one of those is 47810 Crewe to Holyhead. That departure from Colwyn Bay in particular will take some beating! To this day (and this was 13 years or more ago) I remember @heart-of-wessex going to the lavvy at just the wrong time and my bellowing at the front droplight about it. I did manage to pick up my jaw off the ballast before we moved too far :lol:

My experience of no-hear 47s is limited to heritage lines sadly. Wrong era for me!

Cheers Tech, in fairness Mr Train was pulling my leg a bit but any self respecting Duff man hates the body snatchers, least the 57/0's look like 47s, the dellners on Lady Pens and its Thunderbird friends, just make the fronts look hideous and they all sound rank too.
Tech, I'm unfortunate to be old enough to remember when NB locos were found on passenger trains, normally during the summer timetables but they weren't infrequent enough to turn up on the trans pennine turns back in the mid to late 80s. Usually caused a bit of a frothing when one did rock up. 47225 was just such a 47 that did and my friends and I were fortunate to be stood in Leeds, when it did so we took it to Malton. I seem to recall a 47/3 being out the same day, which we did from York to Malton but for the life of me can't remember which one. 47225 also turned up on the Glasgow QS-Scarborough one Saturday morning, which we took to York, after bailing a 37(Again my memory fails me which one) from Sunderland on the Scarborough-Newcastle via the Durham Coast line. I know we were going to Knottingley that day but after a rapid butchers at the depot, we got back to Leeds, to intercept the rest of the summer saturday and trans pennine turns, as we staggered our way back n forth back to Toon.
Sorry Mr Train, we seem to have hijacked your thread a bit. My apologies mate.
 
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