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A Break is a train! Class 300 in Belgium; trainnumber 301 - 440. Or beter MS80, MS82 and MS83.
 

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They're nicknamed "Break" because they represent a "break from the past", their technical design is rather different when compared with the trains built before them. It's not mocking their reliability ;)
 

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They run between Maastricht and Liege. No Breaks available.

Breaks have been to Maastricht in the past. But the dutch rail safety agency decided that they must be recertified after modernization. This program is now almost finished so there are no more non modernized breaks available.

The same problem happened in Rosendael with the modernization of AM75 series (quadruples).
 

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In Roosendaal class 800 is present (at least the last time i was there). The common nickname is Pigheads (dutch: varkenskop).
 

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I used to refer to a particular (now gone) class of SNCB 2 car EMU's as "Roots" - they were in a beetroot livery , and very distinctive if somewhat basic. Can any local advise me what they were ? THey seem to have gone in recent years.
 

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In Roosendaal class 800 is present (at least the last time i was there). The common nickname is Pigheads (dutch: varkenskop).

Yes now the problem is gone but for some time only the not renovated ones were allowed in Rosendael.
 

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I used to refer to a particular (now gone) class of SNCB 2 car EMU's as "Roots" - they were in a beetroot livery , and very distinctive if somewhat basic. Can any local advise me what they were ? THey seem to have gone in recent years.

This is a whole class of EMUs that appeared just after the war, last deliveries being in 1974 or so. They were originally green, then got repainted in red with a white stripe in the '80ies. After full modernisation they were repainted again in the current colors, gaining the nickname "milka", the colors being the same as those of this chocolate brand.
 

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This is a whole class of EMUs that appeared just after the war, last deliveries being in 1974 or so. They were originally green, then got repainted in red with a white stripe in the '80ies. After full modernisation they were repainted again in the current colors, gaining the nickname "milka", the colors being the same as those of this chocolate brand.

Thank you - I recall being overtaken on a London bound E* by set 260 coming out of Brussels ! , old -but good runners........(or a driver showing he could leave a 373 behind - for a while) - impressive.
 

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260... that one has been scrapped years ago already. It was part of an order of 122 units, to be numbered 151 to 272, placed in 1962. They were built by the SNCB works in Mechelen, on the same interior and exterior design as the M2 cars, built around the same time. 4 power axles out of 8, one per bogie. Max speed 130 km/h. They were good runners indeed, even if it has in fact never been that difficult to outpace an Eurostar set at lower speeds.
 
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I was there a couple of weeks back and its seems to have been tarted up a bit.

Yeah, there's renovation works underway. I was meaning by international connections wise, its a shadow of its former self now since the loss of the jetfoil, ferries and EC/EN trains.

Oostende station has Scottish roots by the way! The station building is Aberdonian Granite!!

You mean the classical double EMUs ? The surviving ones are numbered between 601 and 782. Produced between 1966 and 1974. All have been modernized. Those that were more extensively modernized were renumbered between 961 and 999. They are now an endangered species, if you like them, ride while you still can. New M7 stock will most probably kill them.

The AM66 are always a joy to travel on in short hops over the border to/from Aachen, beats an ICE every time!
Whats the latest on M7 deliveries? Later this year??

Breaks have been to Maastricht in the past. But the dutch rail safety agency decided that they must be recertified after modernization. This program is now almost finished so there are no more non modernized breaks available.

The same problem happened in Rosendael with the modernization of AM75 series (quadruples).

Same happened with the I6/I10's briefly, a couple of years ago when they were used on the BeNeLuxTrein when a window collapsed into a compartment and lots of other things were broken on one rake!
Maybe that helped to prompt the current refurbishment programme which must be nearing completion by now? The cars I seen when I was last over in January had all been done, not seen an original I6 in some time.
 

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M7 : 2 cars delivered so far, currently used for tests. First revenue services not expected before end 2019. Very much the same as M6 stock, but with more comfortable seats. A picture of the interior was published in the last issue of "en lignes", the magazine of the belgian association PFT. There seems to be some technical problems with this new stock at the moment, that delays the start of the production line.
 

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Second vote for I6A stock.
I11 coming close second.
AM96 comes very close too but no so well aligned with windows.
Check M5A on the top floor in 2+1 arrangement also.

I would recommend a 200kph trip to Liège in I11 (avoid the M6 stock used in peak hours) and then a I6 or I10 trip from Liège to Luxemburg. Best scenery of the whole belgian network. And then return via Namur to have a look on the L162 modernisation works.
I am doing a trip from Schiphol to Metz next month and propose to travel via Brussels and Liege.
 
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