A career as a signaller

Highlandspring · 22 Mar 2019

I’ve just reread my post and it may come across as having a slightly aggressive tone - I definitely didn’t mean it that way. What I was trying to get across is that a Union is only as strong as its members so if you decide to join then you should abide by the decisions of the members. As has been said above, we’re all grownups and in my opinion if you’re happy to take it when a pay rise is negotiated then you should also be prepared to give a little as part of that negotiation.

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nom de guerre · 22 Mar 2019

Highlandspring said:
I suggest if the idea of possibly having to take industrial action to fight against detrimental conditions makes you uncomfortable then don’t join the Union.

I suspect some will have joined the union for the protection, without even considering the prospect of industrial action. (That was certainly the case with me.)

But certainly, if you want to continue working during industrial action, I think you’re morally obliged to leave the union.

Highlandspring · 22 Mar 2019

Absolutely and I don’t have a problem with people leaving the union if for whatever reason they feel they can’t go along with a strike. The issue is with union members breaking a strike.

33056 · 22 Mar 2019

Highlandspring said:
People can still recall exactly who worked and who didn’t during the 1994 signaller’s strike for example.

Indeed, people have very long memories for that sort of thing. I know of drivers who are still referred to as "scabs" for working during the ASLEF strikes over flexible rostering in 1982.

Two other things:
Firstly, if it comes to a ballot, make sure that the RMT have your correct current details - especially your home address and work location / position.

Secondly, whatever your opinion on the matter USE YOUR VOTE! It never ceases to amaze me sometimes how many people fail to return their ballot paper.

I often wonder whether some people think if they don't vote the issue will go away of it's own accord but if you don't think the answer is to strike, say so - there is usually the option of action short of a strike ("working to rule") which can be just as disruptive depending on the staffing levels.

R.Quintero · 22 Mar 2019

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HelixUK · 26 Mar 2019

How long have people here waited to be signed off on their panel/signal box after finishing sig school? Particularly interested in the smaller boxes G2-3?

Will there be an assessment done by someone to say you're competent enough before you go on your own? Who decides when it's time? I assume whoever you're shadowing will be giving feedback to your LOM etc.

Cheers

godfreycomplex · 26 Mar 2019

HelixUK said:
How long have people here waited to be signed off on their panel/signal box after finishing sig school? Particularly interested in the smaller boxes G2-3?

Will there be an assessment done by someone to say you're competent enough before you go on your own? Who decides when it's time? I assume whoever you're shadowing will be giving feedback to your LOM etc.

Cheers

Genuinely up to you how long it takes. 6-8 weeks is about average but if you need longer than that (unless you’re taking the Michael) no good LOM will object.
The LOM and the trainee signaller will come to a mutual understanding that it’s time for passing out, if the trainee signaller says they’re ready for passing out the LOM will generally come and informally observe them as part of their regular visits. The LOM will also seek feedback from mentor signallers as they deem necessary, and likewise mentor signallers are “empowered” to deliver any feedback they deem necessary directly to the LOM (although this happening without the consent or knowledge of the trainee is somewhat rare).

gareth386 · 26 Mar 2019

HelixUK said:
How long have people here waited to be signed off on their panel/signal box after finishing sig school? Particularly interested in the smaller boxes G2-3?

Will there be an assessment done by someone to say you're competent enough before you go on your own? Who decides when it's time? I assume whoever you're shadowing will be giving feedback to your LOM etc.

Cheers

Everyone is different, but as is said above, it generally seems to be around 8 weeks or so. It depends how busy you are and what is going on during your training with regards to failures, problems and T3's. Ideally you'll see a lot of issues during your training so that you're not fazed if it happens when you're on your own.
You'll also have to do a rules test before you're let loose on your own.

ljmac · 27 Mar 2019

Can someone shed any light/give me their thoughts on this...

A job came on either yesterday or the day before. I applied.
When I checked for any other jobs this morning, that one had already gone. At this point I assumed it was a non starter. But then at about 1430 today I had an email off NR saying I was under consideration.

Nothing to do with hiring manager so I imagine at best it will go to "application under consideration". Is it likely the job has been filled internally or the vacancy has been pulled.

Thanks

Littlestu · 28 Mar 2019

Am i right in thinking advertised jobs show the shift allowance and weekends included in the salary? Also do all grades from 1-10 attended signal school for the 12 weeks

Highlandspring · 28 Mar 2019

Littlestu said:
Am i right in thinking advertised jobs show the shift allowance and weekends included in the salary? Also do all grades from 1-10 attended signal school for the 12 weeks

1) No, it’s the bare basic 35hr week figure with no enhancements at all
2) Everyone except Grade 1

Littlestu · 28 Mar 2019

Highlandspring said:
1) No, it’s the bare basic 35hr week figure with no enhancements at all
2) Everyone except Grade 1

Ahhhh ok thanks for quick reply

f1nch26 · 28 Mar 2019

ljmac said:
Can someone shed any light/give me their thoughts on this...

A job came on either yesterday or the day before. I applied.
When I checked for any other jobs this morning, that one had already gone. At this point I assumed it was a non starter. But then at about 1430 today I had an email off NR saying I was under consideration.

Nothing to do with hiring manager so I imagine at best it will go to "application under consideration". Is it likely the job has been filled internally or the vacancy has been pulled.

Thanks

It's back on there today, probably just a glitch with the system!

Thistley · 29 Mar 2019

f1nch26 said:
It's back on there today, probably just a glitch with the system!

If you're "under consideration" it appears you're on a holding list, and will get an interview should all the initial sift applicants not work out. My position at Chichester went to unsuccessful after "under consideration" ..

Which box are you applying for? Right now there's a bunch of grade 2 boxes, plus Willesden, Haslemere and TVSC.

Mothball · 29 Mar 2019

Grade 3 on the external at Edale, anyone know the shift patterns there?

Jay_123 · 30 Mar 2019

Ive applied for a job internally and got the “application under consideration for assessment 2” ive heard this could mean a possible interview is this still the case?

godfreycomplex · 30 Mar 2019

Jay_123 said:
Ive applied for a job internally and got the “application under consideration for assessment 2” ive heard this could mean a possible interview is this still the case?

In short, yes

Tom Quinne · 30 Mar 2019

Jay_123 said:
Ive applied for a job internally and got the “application under consideration for assessment 2” ive heard this could mean a possible interview is this still the case?

Yes mate, the LOM has your app on their desk - very best of luck fingers crossed !

Cavan · 30 Mar 2019

Anyone know what shifts ferryside box works in west Wales?

HelixUK · 30 Mar 2019

Cavan said:
Anyone know what shifts ferryside box works in west Wales?

12 hours

Jay_123 · 30 Mar 2019

Tom Quinne said:
Yes mate, the LOM has your app on their desk - very best of luck fingers crossed !

What does just “under consideration” mean then mate? Ive applied previously and seen this, then its gone straight to unsuccessful? Whats the difference as it baffling me haha

Llanigraham · 30 Mar 2019

Cavan said:
Anyone know what shifts ferryside box works in west Wales?

0600 - 1800 - 0600

Saracen_83 · 30 Mar 2019

Application under consideration for assessment 2..... = interview (normally, as can change!!)

Application under consideration.... just a holding phase...

You want to get it to change to “application under consideration for assessment 2”.. more time it is just app u set consideration (in my experience) it just turned unsuccessful

Highlandspring · 30 Mar 2019

Once you’ve applied, answered the standard questions and sat the standard tests there’s absolutely nothing you can do to influence the course of things so just sit back forget about it and don’t stress yourself out. It doesn’t matter what how many times the status of your application changes or what it changes to, you’ll either get invited to an interview or you won’t. It might take a day, a week or a month or a year for that to happen. Network Rail recruitment moves slower than your average glacier and the way the process works is mysterious to everyone except HR.

Danc87 · 31 Mar 2019

Just checked on my rail applications and one says under consideration for assessment 2 I've never seen this status before can anyone she'd some light on it please

Danc87 · 31 Mar 2019

My bad I just read up

Danc87 · 31 Mar 2019

It's for the three bridges traffic management does anyone have any more insight into that role as it seems pretty new

Thistley · 1 Apr 2019

Danc87 said:
It's for the three bridges traffic management does anyone have any more insight into that role as it seems pretty new

Pretty sure it's when your application is on the hiring manager's desk for consideration. As the above post said:

Highlandspring said:
Once you’ve applied, answered the standard questions and sat the standard tests there’s absolutely nothing you can do to influence the course of things so just sit back forget about it and don’t stress yourself out. It doesn’t matter what how many times the status of your application changes or what it changes to, you’ll either get invited to an interview or you won’t. It might take a day, a week or a month or a year for that to happen. Network Rail recruitment moves slower than your average glacier and the way the process works is mysterious to everyone except HR.

Danc87 · 1 Apr 2019

I mean does anyone have any info about the job role as doesn't seem your regular signaller role. Seems don't need signalling school does anyone know what shifts 3 bridges are on etc or what the job role actually Is?

Cavan · 1 Apr 2019

Tried searching this thread? There was some discussion about these roles a few weeks ago.

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