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The 7A is a very poor substitute for the 46.

If the 7A was two hourly it would be better. But they’ve cocked it up. Only a matter of time before the X38 also follows suit.

The 46 was very poorly used. Barring the early AM Torquay to Exeter, and evening Exeter to Torquay, it’s a commercial service they aren’t going to keep running at a loss. Loss making services will only survive with subsidies in this day and age.
The train is quicker, cheaper end to end, and that’s where 95% of the passengers are.
 
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The 46 was very poorly used. Barring the early AM Torquay to Exeter, and evening Exeter to Torquay, it’s a commercial service they aren’t going to keep running at a loss. Loss making services will only survive with subsidies in this day and age.
The train is quicker, cheaper end to end, and that’s where 95% of the passengers are.
It used to be busy when it was hourly so I’ve been told. But Stagecoach have failed by reducing the frequency to nearly nothing, and out pricing customers pushing them onto the train. I’ve been on it a few times and sometimes it was busy although mostly concessions. Stagecoach are running south West into the ground.
 

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It used to be busy when it was hourly so I’ve been told

I used it several times when it was hourly, never more than a dozen passengers, majority of whom were concession holders (who don’t get the train for free)

Expensive fares is partially the fault of the council how they calculate the concession pass reimbursement. They pay a percentage of the average ticket sold. The majority of passengers are concession pass users thus the majority income, so it’s almost better for the operator to have 3-4 paying passengers paying say £7, than 20 passengers paying £2.
 

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It used to be busy when it was hourly so I’ve been told. But Stagecoach have failed by reducing the frequency to nearly nothing, and out pricing customers pushing them onto the train. I’ve been on it a few times and sometimes it was busy although mostly concessions. Stagecoach are running south West into the ground.

The X46 and X38 were popular with pensioners only and so were never going to survive and it was a surprise the 46 lasted as long as it did. What is the basis for "Stagecoach are running the South West into the ground" as city routes are still frequent with relative new buses, country routes are more frequent than many areas, again with newish buses and Falcon is a successful operation that virtually no other operator would even have considered running.
Exeter Bus Station closure isn't helping as forcing drivers to go back and forth to Matford on the Green is nuts but Bialyk's vanity bus station closure project was only ever going to service cuts due to loss of passengers, a massive increase in pollution and operating costs due to the massive increase in dead bus mileage and additional congestion during the works and due to the extra cars. All quite ironic because, as the RMT area boss, you'd have thought he'd have put the interests of him members before his vanity project. If anyone wants an example of exactly what damage the RMT can do given any element of power just look at the bus station fiasco in Exeter.
 

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It used to be busy when it was hourly so I’ve been told. But Stagecoach have failed by reducing the frequency to nearly nothing, and out pricing customers pushing them onto the train. I’ve been on it a few times and sometimes it was busy although mostly concessions. Stagecoach are running south West into the ground.
put facts about running into the ground.South West has had decent investment over the years.You have been told not seen it.
 

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Stagecoach have been awarded Cardiff Council contracts for service 12 & 86 routes commence 1.4.19

Two Optare Solo’s are expected to transfer from Bedford to operate these services
 

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Most of the routes around Exeter are carrying fresh air and funded by the council or section 106. When this runs out the service will cease. Fares are overpriced. There used to be hourly X38 coaches Exeter to Plymouth which were busy and was killed off by adding all the villages. Stagecoach are wasting a lot of money there in inefficiencies. And ridiculous ideas such as to increase the service along Harrington Lane when it’s barely used enough as it is let alone doubling the frequency. Too many staff doing not a lot and little or no focus on making the services decent and reliable, such as the A service which suffers in reliability and nothing has been done about it in two years at least. I could go on but I’m going to stop here. These are just a few examples.
 

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There is an Exeter consultation.You should be putting those in writing to them no point complaining here.It will make a difference .
 

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Most of the routes around Exeter are carrying fresh air and funded by the council or section 106. When this runs out the service will cease. Fares are overpriced. There used to be hourly X38 coaches Exeter to Plymouth which were busy and was killed off by adding all the villages. Stagecoach are wasting a lot of money there in inefficiencies. And ridiculous ideas such as to increase the service along Harrington Lane when it’s barely used enough as it is let alone doubling the frequency. Too many staff doing not a lot and little or no focus on making the services decent and reliable, such as the A service which suffers in reliability and nothing has been done about it in two years at least. I could go on but I’m going to stop here. These are just a few examples.

The X38 was only full during morning peak with fare paying passengers. Off peak was almost entirely pensioners so not profitable. Running such a service now would compete with Falcon and Megabus which makes no commercial sense. i know Falcon doesn't go to town but it's only 15 minutes on the P&R and often would be quicker than the X38 used to be as it misses the delays through Countess Wear.

I agree about Harrington Lane but isn't s106 money funding it and also in minibus days that part of the route in Pinhoe used to have buses every 12 mins and will generate more passengers than the F2 it replaces which does carry fresh air from Summerway to Pinhoe due to unreliability and long journey times. The F2 and B provided 4 buses an hour and so will the new service, so apart from the issue of passing points its not a huge change.

The A does bunch massively whenever St Thomas clogs but there's not much Stagecoach can do about that as the clogging seems to be quite random. The Thornpark Rise end can be very variable with journey times varying significantly based on passenger loadings (lots of slow boarding old people) and also 5 minutes delays often arise when buses meet at the bottom of the hill and have to reverse. The route does have long turn round times and long waiting times in town which usually are too much, but when St Thomas clogs it all goes pear shaped. To be honest the best solution is splitting all routes in town so the St Thomas issues don't affect the other side of town as invariably they screw up every route (which is what the L appears to be trialing). The problem is you can't split all routes as there's nowhere in town for the buses to wait.

Fares on Devon General were massively overpriced and Stagecoach have at least slowed the rate of increase and yes they are quite pricey but no more than other areas such as Arriva in Woking, Salisbury and Bournemouth, Taunton, Cornwall, etc.
 

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yes they are quite pricey but no more than other areas such as Arriva in Woking, Salisbury and Bournemouth, Taunton, Cornwall, etc.

They’ll be set at a rate to make the service viable. Too low and the service will lose money and won’t be sustainable. Bus companies are for profit.
 

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The A is always going to be a victim of its own route. Heavitree Road, Exe Bridges, Cowick Street/Lane and Alphington Road are some of the busiest/gridlocked roads in Exeter.

Short of getting a bypass for the bypass, it's never going to be a reliable service whilst traffic increases.

The fact is that Exeter is one of the most congested cities outside of London. Unless Stagecoach have got a secret hover bus stashed away at Matford, I don't see how they can take the blame for being stuck in everyone else's traffic jam.
 

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They’ll be set at a rate to make the service viable. Too low and the service will lose money and won’t be sustainable. Bus companies are for profit.
They have to make a profit.How are they going to pay for new buses and other things .
 

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The fact is that Exeter is one of the most congested cities outside of London.

Lots of people like to make this statement but I don't think it's true - both from personal experience and also Exeter doesn't feature highly in most lists of 'most congested' cities.
 

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There is an Exeter consultation.You should be putting those in writing to them no point complaining here.It will make a difference .
Told them everything they should do months ago. Will see what comes to fruition.
 

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Lots of people like to make this statement but I don't think it's true - both from personal experience and also Exeter doesn't feature highly in most lists of 'most congested' cities.

If we go by stories like this from Devon Live (Yes, I know....)

Exeter is one of the most congested cities in the country, new data has revealed.

Commuters spend 24 per cent of their journeys in the city's traffic jams with congestion costing each driver an average of £1,068 per year.


However the figures are slightly down on last year when Exeter was named the busiest city in the UK during peak hours

The data for which comes from Inrix. I can't find the all of the data in an easy read format, but Exeter was (roughly) 14th on the list for a few years.

Due to this, presumably Inrix

  • However, Exeter’s city centre was the busiest to get around across all of the UK during peak hours, with drivers spending 25% of their time in congestion with an average speed of just 4.6 mph.

Given Exeter is the main crossroads for half of the Westcountry, this really shouldn't be a surprise.
 

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Further timetable changes in the Swindon area.

Service 7 - Swindon - South Marston - Highworth
We'll be implementing a new timetable to improve our punctuality.


Service 49 - Swindon - Wroughton - Devizes
This service will now depart from Swindon Bus Station at Stand 6


Service 54 - Royal Wootton Bassett - Link Centre - Swindon
Due to poor passenger numbers, the 15:55 bus from Swindon and the 15:03, 16:33 from Royal Wootton Bassett is withdrawn. Most other journeys will run at new new times to help improve our punctuality.


Service 55 - Swindon - Royal Wootton Bassett
We'll implement a new timetable to improve our punctuality in the face of worsening traffic congestion.


Service 107 - Tadpole Garden Village - Redhouse Village - Orbital - Haydon Wick - South Marston Park
In response to local feedback, we'll now serve Ermin street and B&Q at South Marston Business Park. A new journey will run at 21:10 from Tadpole to South Marston for shift workers. The 14:45 bus from Tadpole and 17:15 bus from South Marston are withdrawn due to poor patronage.



Service 807 - Blunsdon to Highworth Warneford School

We've adjusted the timetable to improve our punctuality in the face of worsening traffic congestion.



Please note that there are no changes to buses on any other service in Swindon.

It's nice that timetables have already been uploaded.
 

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There does look to be a few cuts hidden in there - the first bus on the 7 is now half an hour later (Monday to Friday), and there are a couple less 55s in the morning but no major cuts.

Had a quick look at the 55, and there seems to be the same number into Swindon in the morning (although all except the first are 5-10 minutes later). It's the evening that seems to be more affected. There's a few less peak journeys towards Chippenham.

There's an awful lot of padding in the services towards Swindon in the morning now. The 07:33 arrival (which is normally on time) is now scheduled to be 07:45, despite leaving Bassett only 3 minutes later... Only time this particular journey is delayed is if the motorway is congested, and when that is the case 12 minutes will make absolutely no difference.
 

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Stagecoach have been awarded Cardiff Council contracts for service 12 & 86 routes commence 1.4.19

Two Optare Solo’s are expected to transfer from Bedford to operate these services

What for? Surely South Wales have got two of their own Enviro 200s for these?
 

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Having thought that all the Stagecoach-liveried Enviro200 MMCs had been transferred out of Plymouth and up the A38 to Exeter I was surprised to see one, possibly 26038 (YX65 RDU), on a run up the Tavistock Road to the George Junction P&R during the evening peak today.

Dave
 

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Having thought that all the Stagecoach-liveried Enviro200 MMCs had been transferred out of Plymouth and up the A38 to Exeter I was surprised to see one, possibly 26038 (YX65 RDU), on a run up the Tavistock Road to the George Junction P&R during the evening peak today.

Dave

26038 and 26037 are the only two standard livery left in Plymouth.
 

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The shorter ones which came from Chester were transferred to Exeter, the longer park and ride ones remain and a few of those are in standard livery.
 

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There are changes coming to service 1 from June. Main ones are additional evening services Monday to Saturday 10pm and midnight off Plymouth and 9pm and 11pm off Tavistock which is good. There will also be an additional 5.20am departure off Tavistock . This comes month after midnight departure on Gold from Plymouth to Ivybridge is introduced
 
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