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I've heard, probably from you (+ @Mintona), that you can easily hit places like Didcot and Swansea at 70mph (especially on the IET's), and stop perfectly?! :?::?::?:
Chippenham and Didcot are favourites for a fast approach , personally I don't hav3 enough IET Experience yet to risk really fast stops but I'm sure there are drivers attempting 70mph stops with them...
 
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Haha metro indeed. Full power from horley to 50 max then straight away braking hitting the platform at Gatwick abour 40 now that's metro
Electrostar drivers seem much more confident with power and brake than 700's and the new 345's.
 

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Chippenham and Didcot are favourites for a fast approach , personally I don't hav3 enough IET Experience yet to risk really fast stops but I'm sure there are drivers attempting 70mph stops with them...
And of course I meant Swindon!
Braking coming into Reading is wild too, 125 still through Tilehurst the last time I measured it (which was a while ago)!
 

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The approach to Reading from both directions is now usually on caution signals as the platform starter signals are usually red. This causes most drivers to take a much slower approach - than say at Swindon or Didcot on the down where the signals are usually clear all the way in and beyond.
So i doubt there would be any driver attempting to hit the Reading platforms at 60 having passed a single yellow and approaching a red at the end of the platform. If so- they would unlikely be in a job for long!!
 

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I've heard, probably from you (+ @Mintona), that you can easily hit places like Didcot and Swansea at 70mph (especially on the IET's), and stop perfectly?! :?::?::?:

Most definitely not Swansea! :lol:

I’ve not hit Didcot or Swindon at 70. I’m sure it can be done but I quite like my licence. 40-50 is easily doable though. Chippenham you can have quite a fast approach too, and Reading but only if the signal on the end of the platform is off which is very rare.

As drivers get more experienced I’m sure those numbers will go up.

I did make up quite a bit of time on 1U28 (1912 London - Bristol) last night, definitely my best Swindon - Bristol Parkway time to date: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C58021/2019/03/26/advanced
 

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Most definitely not Swansea! :lol:

I’ve not hit Didcot or Swindon at 70. I’m sure it can be done but I quite like my licence. 40-50 is easily doable though. Chippenham you can have quite a fast approach too, and Reading but only if the signal on the end of the platform is off which is very rare.

As drivers get more experienced I’m sure those numbers will go up.

I did make up quite a bit of time on 1U28 (1912 London - Bristol) last night, definitely my best Swindon - Bristol Parkway time to date: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C58021/2019/03/26/advanced
That looks a good time on RTT, - best we recorded so far was a 21:01. So you would have been very close to that. Wish I had been aboard to record it. Would have been a lively run. You were fortunate not to hit traffic at Westerleigh or in Parkway. Last time I had a late running service, we had an XC service allowed in front and was occupying the platform - killed any hopes of a fast run!
 

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That looks a good time on RTT, - best we recorded so far was a 21:01. So you would have been very close to that. Wish I had been aboard to record it. Would have been a lively run. You were fortunate not to hit traffic at Westerleigh or in Parkway. Last time I had a late running service, we had an XC service allowed in front and was occupying the platform - killed any hopes of a fast run!

There’s not too much about at that time which helps. It could’ve been a bit quicker, it was routed into platform 1 at Bristol Parkway so had to get down for the 40mph restriction over those points. If we had been sent straight into platform 2 I probably could’ve still been doing 50 at the ramp, which would probably have shaved another 15-20 seconds off.
 

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Hi, does anyone have any further update on the cctv mods for the introduction of 800's on the bedwyn turns please?

thanks,
 

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That’s an absolutely beautiful run, 95 through Reading (if you get a clear run through, that is!)
21 minutes versus 30 minutes for SWI-BPW is pretty good going, to say the least! :D
The 30 minute schedule includes around 7 minutes of recovery and pathing time to allow the Glasgow to Plymouth service in front to clear the platform at xx:32. The net timing is 23 mins for an HST - but the fastest HST run on record is 21 mins 20. So an IET with a clear run should in theory be able to achieve sub 21 min.
 

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There’s not too much about at that time which helps. It could’ve been a bit quicker, it was routed into platform 1 at Bristol Parkway so had to get down for the 40mph restriction over those points. If we had been sent straight into platform 2 I probably could’ve still been doing 50 at the ramp, which would probably have shaved another 15-20 seconds off.
Very true, is the routing controlled by ARS there? Being so late you missed 1V66 ahead of you, but were not too late to beat 1V67. Any later and that would probably have been routed ahead of you at Westerleigh to maintain its schedule.
 

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Very true, is the routing controlled by ARS there? Being so late you missed 1V66 ahead of you, but were not too late to beat 1V67. Any later and that would probably have been routed ahead of you at Westerleigh to maintain its schedule.

I believe it is under normal circumstances, yes. Just managed to squeeze into a nice gap then!
 

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There’s not too much about at that time which helps. It could’ve been a bit quicker, it was routed into platform 1 at Bristol Parkway so had to get down for the 40mph restriction over those points. If we had been sent straight into platform 2 I probably could’ve still been doing 50 at the ramp, which would probably have shaved another 15-20 seconds off.
Yes, it is a shame you weren't manually routed in to 2, but signallers probably don't worry about the extra 15 to 20 secs. Maybe it is too slow a procedure to override. That's why i believe the approaches should be at least 50 to 70mph turnouts instead of 40mph or lower. But then you end up with approach control and flashing yellows which causes a slowdown way before the junction anyway!
 

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There’s not too much about at that time which helps. It could’ve been a bit quicker, it was routed into platform 1 at Bristol Parkway so had to get down for the 40mph restriction over those points. If we had been sent straight into platform 2 I probably could’ve still been doing 50 at the ramp, which would probably have shaved another 15-20 seconds off.

I was working TVSC Stoke Gifford last night, main reason for putting you into 1 was 1B81 about 4 mins behind, they got a clear run into 2 then whilst you were doing station duties. Etc
 

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I was working TVSC Stoke Gifford last night, main reason for putting you into 1 was 1B81 about 4 mins behind, they got a clear run into 2 then whilst you were doing station duties. Etc
Could you have out 1B81 into 1 instead?
 

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Could you have out 1B81 into 1 instead?
1B81 goes to Swansea so by putting 1U28 into 1 gives both services clear signals out of the station. If both services had swapped platforms (1U28 into 2 and 1B81 into 1) then they would have to cross over after the station which could mean one service has to wait for another to clear the line.
 

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Could you have out 1B81 into 1 instead?
The 1B81 going through to Swansea - the 1U28 to Temple Meads - logical to have the latter into 1 to avoid a possible conflict and have a route called out. Signallers are well aware of possible conflicts due to dwell times not always working to plan.
Edit: I was typing my post when the other one popped up without me seeing it!
 

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1B81 goes to Swansea so by putting 1U28 into 1 gives both services clear signals out of the station. If both services had swapped platforms (1U28 into 2 and 1B81 into 1) then they would have to cross over after the station which could mean one service has to wait for another to clear the line.
Yes, that makes perfect sense. As a matter of interest, was the route through platform 1 cleared or does that rely on Train Ready To Start plunger being activated?
 

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Yes, that makes perfect sense. As a matter of interest, was the route through platform 1 cleared or does that rely on Train Ready To Start plunger being activated?

The signaller can manually set the route at any time.

In the case of Bristol Parkway I believe ARS will “pull-off” shortly before departure time; I’ve certainly never seen the platform staff routinely operating TRTS.

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Getting loosely back to 800s - Diesel Only over the Up Main at present between Swindon and Didcot Parkway due to an OHLE issue. Should be resolved tonight.
 

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1B81 goes to Swansea so by putting 1U28 into 1 gives both services clear signals out of the station. If both services had swapped platforms (1U28 into 2 and 1B81 into 1) then they would have to cross over after the station which could mean one service has to wait for another to clear the line.

The signaller can manually set the route at any time.

In the case of Bristol Parkway I believe ARS will “pull-off” shortly before departure time; I’ve certainly never seen the platform staff routinely operating TRTS.

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Getting loosely back to 800s - Diesel Only over the Up Main at present between Swindon and Didcot Parkway due to an OHLE issue. Should be resolved tonight.


And putting 1B81 would mean it would require to use a 15mph crossover leaving the station which would negatively effect it quite well.

ARS will pull off straight through Bristol Parkway, when it's switched on.
 

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Looks like an IET worked a Taunton to Cardiff service today - I guess the 17:05ish as someone on Twitter thanked GWR for one on the 18:22 from Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Tunnel Junction.
 

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I was working TVSC Stoke Gifford last night, main reason for putting you into 1 was 1B81 about 4 mins behind, they got a clear run into 2 then whilst you were doing station duties. Etc

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. To be honest, in my experience at least, 1U28 always uses Platform 1 at Bristol Parkway so I wouldnt expect anything else.
 

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The 30 minute schedule includes around 7 minutes of recovery and pathing time to allow the Glasgow to Plymouth service in front to clear the platform at xx:32. The net timing is 23 mins for an HST - but the fastest HST run on record is 21 mins 20. So an IET with a clear run should in theory be able to achieve sub 21 min.
A 150 could do it in 30 minutes. 21:20 on an HST is impressive.
 

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There’s not too much about at that time which helps. It could’ve been a bit quicker, it was routed into platform 1 at Bristol Parkway so had to get down for the 40mph restriction over those points. If we had been sent straight into platform 2 I probably could’ve still been doing 50 at the ramp, which would probably have shaved another 15-20 seconds off.
I timed the 21m 01s run Railperf refers to, which had a smart stop in P1 at Parkway. Agree it costs 10-15 sec compared with P2, although a smart stop in P1 will be quicker than a slow stop in P2. Distance is a tad less too.

Have timed another run, on 19.12 ex Paddington, which was more than 10 mins late off Swindon and about 3 sec ahead of my 21:01 run at Badminton - but not quite so brisk down to Parkway. 21m 19s IIRC. That train used P2 at Parkway...
 

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The approach to Reading from both directions is now usually on caution signals as the platform starter signals are usually red. This causes most drivers to take a much slower approach - than say at Swindon or Didcot on the down where the signals are usually clear all the way in and beyond.
So i doubt there would be any driver attempting to hit the Reading platforms at 60 having passed a single yellow and approaching a red at the end of the platform. If so- they would unlikely be in a job for long!!
I suspect ATP would have something to say about such an approach first - like a brake demand!
 

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I suspect ATP would have something to say about such an approach first - like a brake demand!
Very true, what sort of approach speeds would ATP allow in this case..through the double yellows, and then the single yellow?
 

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Very true, what sort of approach speeds would ATP allow in this case..through the double yellows, and then the single yellow?

There aren’t set speeds; that’s not how ATP works. It’s off topic for this thread to elaborate further.
 

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Let's face it crawling around like a frightened old dear is more standard with GWR. Especially with a Bristol gnome up front.

For me, passenger comfort is more important than slamming the controller straight to max in either direction. If running on time (especially on electric) then the best thing to do is gently introduce power or brake and then incrementally increase it. There's little benefit in arriving at the next station a minute early if your shirt is covered in coffee!

If running late then I would brake and accelerate through the controller more quickly, but would never go straight to maximum power. Having been driven by a Worcester based driver back from Paddington the other day who went straight to maximum power every time and was quite aggressive with the brake, it really did make the journey uncomfortable - especially as we were following a freight for part of the way - and felt like I was on a rocking horse!
 
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