theblackwatch
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Are we saying that the curves are tighter in the UK than anywhere else in Europe where CAF trains operate?
Exactly, our railway system can never be made compatible with the rest of Europe. I suspect this may actually be a key reason for our poor fit in the EU. For instance, it is significantly easier for continental countries to export stock to us than us to them, but the common competition laws never took account of this, leading to a shrinkage of train building in this country.
Or perhaps we operate tighter curves at higher speeds in passenger service, instead of just within yards?Are we saying that the curves are tighter in the UK than anywhere else in Europe where CAF trains operate?
The issue is with the internal bar couplings, not the external Dellner's(?).However 333s also throw wobbles whenever they're attempted to be coupled.
That's probably just down to the fact that they aren't regularly used in doubled up formations.
Sam
"designed for the UK version" = basically a "quick fix", with clearly not enough research having gone into it...?Key difficult is that the CAF Civity for other European countries uses Jacobs bogies, which means that the internal coupler bar is specially designed for the UK version.
I have no idea what the definition of a tight curve is but I would have thought both Farington and Todmorden curves probably fall into that category.
has anything been done about the dangerously restrictive internal bar coupling boxes...?Testing/training on 195s hopefully to resume next week on restricted routes (straighter ones!)
what's the point in continuing testing without first having fixed the dangerous flaw...?No, hence the restricted routes.
Presumably, though, the issue will still have to be sorted before they enter service? On the proposed Barrow/Windermere route, for example, there's Parkside Junction which is very tight.Because the mitigation is to keep the unit on very specific routes where the 'flaw' is not an issue - down to ensuring that certain lines (crossovers, sidings, loops etc) are not used. Not every unit was affected to the extent of needing repairs before they were all stopped.
Suppose they can continue running through Bolton until the problem is fixed.Presumably, though, the issue will still have to be sorted before they enter service? On the proposed Barrow/Windermere route, for example, there's Parkside Junction which is very tight.
Not sure there's capacity with the EMU Blackpool & TPE Scotland services switching.Suppose they can continue running through Bolton until the problem is fixed.
It was pretty much the same radius as Miles Platting on the Ashton lines, also the same speed (30mph) and a significant gradient.what was the curve between hollinwood and oldham like in a drivers prospective, could always tell when a train was coming with the screeching of a pacer.
I was thinking the same thing.Presumably, though, the issue will still have to be sorted before they enter service?
Nope, story for a different thread but I'm of the opinion that they should be replaced with cascaded EMUs (350/2 etc.) through further electrification. 6 years (franchise renewal in 2025) is enough time for another project of Manchester-Blackpool scale...Anyone else of the the opinion that Northern should be aiming to replace all of the sprinters with 195s?
The question would be where's they money going to come from?Anyone else of the the opinion that Northern should be aiming to replace all of the sprinters with 195s?
thought it was the intermediate coupler, but obviously, i was wrong.A problem was found in Northern’s 98 trains, built by Spanish train manufacturer CAF in Irun and Zaragoza, which have been undergoing testing since the first unit arrived in the UK in late 2018.
The Bolton News understands that a problem with the coupling mechanism which connect one unit to another caused engineers to become concerned about the cornering on sharp bends.
TBH I wouldn't trust a local rag until someone from Northern confirms it.BREAKING NEWS
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/new...eet-delayed-after-engineers-discover-a-fault/
thought it was the intermediate coupler, but obviously, i was wrong.