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I love the notion that being on a new train is exciting!
The excited looks normally drains away upon either sitting down or finding all the seats are taken...
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I love the notion that being on a new train is exciting!
The excited looks normally drains away upon either sitting down or finding all the seats are taken...
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Aictos
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There was a video is on Youtube which GTR explains why they use SDO on the Drayton Park to Moorgate section and it's only partly to do with the signal sighting basically it was explained that not all drivers will stop in the exact same position every time so they've had to give 2m at either end of the train to allow for this, especially when you consider that drivers like the rest of us are all different ie some are tall while some are short etc...
If I use a analogy, imagine you're driving a car and you stop at a set of traffic lights - every day you stop at a slightly different position to them never at the same position and the same applies to drivers driving trains.
If I use a analogy, imagine you're driving a car and you stop at a set of traffic lights - every day you stop at a slightly different position to them never at the same position and the same applies to drivers driving trains.
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As I arrive at a lot of the stations on the Hertford Loop I'm still surprised by how a lot of passengers taking pics as train pulls in.
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As per, an earlier post I wrote.
As it stands the current 1 x 313 Carriage Working 56, will convert over to 717’s
5K13 06+15 Welwyn GC GSD - Welwyn GC
2K13 06:24 Welwyn - London Moorgate
2F14 07:20 London Moorgate - Stevenage via Hertford
2J42 08:28 Stevenage via Hertford - London Moorgate
5E44 09+45 London Moorgate - Hornsey EMUD
3K07 15:52 Hornsey EMUD - Finsbury Park
2K07 15:58 Finsbury Park - London Moorgate
2F08 16:20 London Moorgate - Stevenage via Hertford
2J35 17:29 Stevenage via Hertford - London Moorgate
2V38 18:45 London Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K52 19:43 Welwyn GC - London Moorgate
2B40 20:40 London Moorgate - Hertford North
2J71 22:00 Hertford North - London Moorgate
2V73 23:00 London Moorgate - Welwyn GC
5V73 23+57 Welwyn GC - Welwyn GC CSD.
As it stands the current 1 x 313 Carriage Working 56, will convert over to 717’s
5K13 06+15 Welwyn GC GSD - Welwyn GC
2K13 06:24 Welwyn - London Moorgate
2F14 07:20 London Moorgate - Stevenage via Hertford
2J42 08:28 Stevenage via Hertford - London Moorgate
5E44 09+45 London Moorgate - Hornsey EMUD
3K07 15:52 Hornsey EMUD - Finsbury Park
2K07 15:58 Finsbury Park - London Moorgate
2F08 16:20 London Moorgate - Stevenage via Hertford
2J35 17:29 Stevenage via Hertford - London Moorgate
2V38 18:45 London Moorgate - Welwyn GC
2K52 19:43 Welwyn GC - London Moorgate
2B40 20:40 London Moorgate - Hertford North
2J71 22:00 Hertford North - London Moorgate
2V73 23:00 London Moorgate - Welwyn GC
5V73 23+57 Welwyn GC - Welwyn GC CSD.
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Thanks for that. That must mean that there's more than one single 313 diagram as I'm sure the 1620 Moorgate-Stevenage is booked a 3-car.
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I’ve omitted the 16:20’s working by mistake. As my posting shows the train entering Moorgate & then arriving at stevenage.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, i’ll amend my list immediately.
EDIT: - Carriage Working now rectified.
There is one single diagram which includes the 0720/1620 MOG-SVG and the 0829/1729 return. Between the peaks it stables at Hornsey. Hopefully it will be made upt to a pair or switch to a 717 soon.
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Is the first bit still a Hitchin job?
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No, It's Welwyn job, up until Finsbury on the Down. Only Hornsey & Welwyn diagrams have gone over thus far.
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That will be very welcome by the passengers. The old 1623 (pre changeover) used to be very cosy.
Ended up on 1800 again.
deliberately sat in rear coach. Lots of standees at Moorgate. Last night it wasn’t until Highbury before the front filled up. Not sure if passengers don’t want to move forward.
At both Drayton park and Brookmans park coach 6 was asked move forward. At the former it was fully on the platform but not at the later.
The loading feature was useful on the 700s shame it wasn’t taken forward onto the 717s.
It is amusing watching the mad rush at Moorgate when the doors start closing (for energy saving). I guess passengers will get used to that. Hopefully my last journey on one for a while. Sideways sitting passengers feature strongly because of the poor interior design.
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Do recall doing it as a Hitchin job if it’s still the same thing but it was miserable as the Stevenage - Moorgate bit due to the heavy passenger loads at Winchmore and Palmers.
But that didn't happen. It was outside the peak, so everyone got a seat and nobody started moaning about the seat comfort*. People can be impressed with a refurbished train, so it's hardly surprising that a train with a 'new car' smell is going to seem exciting compared to a 313.
Of course it doesn't help that the 313s looked so awful outside for as long as they have, plus now inside as nobody is removing the grafitti or etched film. They look far more dated than they otherwise could be.
* I'm sure commuters will have different opinions when they get busy. Not yet used one in the peak, and admittedly will nearly always be on a 700 to King's Cross. That said, while they do sway a bit in the NCL tunnels, they're smooth enough that it makes the all station service feel faster than it is.
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Or the Cental line telling me I can change at Liverpool Street for Circle, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan Lines, London Overground and National Rail Services at 3 in the morning on the night tube
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Anyone know why the tube status hasn't been implemented on the 717's PIS yet?
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Isn't there a lag on the tube status on the 700 anyway? And it will be out of date once you're on a 717 in the NCL anyway.
I'd rather check my phone for the current status.
Any one shed any light on SDO5? Have been on southbound 717 (07:11 ex GDH a few times) and all doors opened at Bowes Park. Yesterday 2J57 had SDO5 at Bowes Park (last coach easily on platform), Hornsey and Harringay (both looked comfortably in platform).
Surprised they are changing that one to 717 so soon seen as it spends 5 hours in Hornsey idle during the day, having worked both morning and evening diagrams of that working, the evening peak is so overloaded it overloads the motors. I'd have strengthened it to 6 car 313.
They took the time off in the bottom right that showed when it was last updated. It's a good point that once in the NCL the info will be potentially useless. Very little chance of Network Rail funding leaky feeders to give coverage in the tunnels given they can't even clean them (okay, so they're apparently doing so soon, but after HOW long?).
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I always check if needing the tube before we arrive at Finsbury Park, because there isnt much you can do about it after then anyway. Highbury and Islington is the last place you can really change your plans onto the north London line. So i think the loss of it on the NCL shouldn’t cause issues. Going North at Moorgate or old street you know the issues at the station itself.
The 7:11 has always been an SDO (rear carriage locked) at Bowes Park since it started service. No clue why, but it has been.
Depends where you are going. I used to get the NCL to Moorgate and then the Northern line and DLR to Canary Wharf. Knowing the status of the DLR before arriving at Bank is useful as I could divert via London Bridge/Jubilee.
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True. But in reality not much is going to change between Drayton Park and Old Street. If it does - tfl normally put it on the platforms. They were good on Monday night telling us about the trespass incident.
I agree they should show it on the 717s.
I guess the solution is having WiFi on the platform so the train can pick it up. Although I find trying to use this on the tube you are often moving again before you get what you need
There's Wi-Fi at St Pancras low level but I don't think the trains use it. My guess is the train system doesn't have the equipment to connect via Wi-Fi to another network, just cellular.
In any case, the GN platforms haven't had Wi-Fi added and probably can't as the stations are under TfL control. Only if they become London Overground could I expect that to change.
If the stations (Old Street, H&I) are TfL then why didn't TfL include the GN platforms when they installed WiFi on theirs? They seem to be in a bit of a forgotten void
Meanwhile GN have installed WiFi at stations like Oakleigh Park where 4G is an option but not Essex Road. I assume the later omission is so you can fully immerse yourself in the early '90s along with the NSE branding but they really should have a Rabbit base station to complete the look.
(but this is way off topic for this thread)
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Not intending to be pendantic but I think you've overlooked the fact that Essex Road is a Network Rail station managed by Great Northern so technically you're wrong in saying the stations are under TfL control as that only applies to Highbury & Islington, Old Street and Moorgate.
Just saying
I guess at Highbury & Islington as you have cross platform interchange between Great Northern and the Victoria Line you could use the wifi that's on the LUL platforms whereas as the other stations this isn't possible.
I do have to wonder although TfL isn't responsible directly for the GN platforms why they couldn't just come to a agreement and extend their wifi to the GN platforms unless it was a conflict of interest as TfL use Virgin Mobile? and FCC/GN use O2.
I do think it would have been in the best interest of all to have wifi in both the running tunnels and in the platforms, I know TfL is finally coming out of the dark ages and is looking at doing this for their services so hopefully the powers to be will get together so the technology is available not just for TfL but also for Crossrail, Thameslink and the GN Inners so the passenger always has up to date information available via the wifi.
I do agree with Failed Unit though that service information SHOULD be available on the Class 717s regardless of location regardless of what connection is used.
I wouldn't bank on it. S Stock passengers still do it after several years at (for example) Hammersmith Met.
Or the Central line telling me I can change at Liverpool Street for Circle, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan Lines, London Overground and National Rail Services at 3 in the morning on the night tube
Other stock has customised PIS announcements for Night Tube, and even for Off Peak. I would expect the 1992 Tube Stock to get the same functionality with its impending upgrade programme.
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That's interesting, I've seen 507s and 508s leaving with the guard's door open (and the guard having a conversation with platform staff as it does). Maybe something that can be modified?
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HE53 is 003 today. When it was on the 0711 GDH - MOG doors in the rear carriage didn't open at Gordon Hill, but all doors opened at every other stop.
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