northernchris
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The 331s have been pulled from testing so currently no crew have been trained on them
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Northern Unit Refurbishments
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The 331s have been pulled from testing so currently no crew have been trained on them
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I'm still believing that they'll still enter service on the leeds routes in may for the time being as for other places (manchester, blackpool, liverpool and wherever else the will 331s run), I doubt they'll see 331s for a while yet .
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If the coupler issues were resolved tomorrow, Northern would only have 41 days to train suffient instructors to train suffient traincrew to operate the new units. I understand driver training is a seven day course, with four per course. So I guess they could have four instructors trained after the first seven day course. Two days rest between courses would be required to satisfy Hidden regulations. By timetable change there could be a maximum of 16 drivers trained*. That is not enough to guarantee a service operated by 331s.
And the potential 16 is reduced by four for every addition week of delay in resolving the coupler issue.
*This could of course be increased if more instructors are trained. That could be done at the detriment to other training.
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superkev
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Only room for one unit to refurb in Holbeck shed as the rest of the is for cleaning and servicing.
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ben2012
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why till platforms are done i thought that all the platforms on the leeds doncaster route and infact the triangle are able to a 4 car unit
George Buckley
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All the platforms on the Leeds route can take 4 car sets but they are supposed to have 2 doubled up 331 to have six cars.
jonesy3001
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170459 next to go to crewe for refurb.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K90062/2019/04/03/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K90062/2019/04/03/advanced
superkev
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Has the last one 170 058 already been and returned?
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158904 & 155343 out today, 904 has new seats, still retains one toilet. 904 has the LCD internal screens like the 3 cars not the LED versions on the rest of the 2 cars.
Firstly, I think that the 331s won't be delayed in the Leeds area.
Secondly, if the 331s are delayed in the Leeds area I think the 321s/322s will still be ridden hard on Airedale/wharfedale routes and the Leeds to Doncaster route which probably might mean that a few 333s might be used on Leeds - Doncasters to ease the 321s/322s (the 333s are capable of doing Leeds - Doncasters and they have the announcements in the system, I've also seen videos of 333s at Donny including a video of the PIS system on a 333 announcing 'Welcome to the Doncaster Train' which has since been deleted)
Nothing is looking like it will be changing Harvey so expect to see 333s on the valley and 32x to Doncaster, there is no reason to change anything. It doesnt look like any of the new CAF stock will come on in May but it could well be getting started for a phased introduction by July or August.
On the EMU front 323s have been found some extra siding space at Longsight again and refurbishment should start soon. Potentially the livery is to be a base white.
On the EMU front 323s have been found some extra siding space at Longsight again and refurbishment should start soon. Potentially the livery is to be a base white.
jonesy3001
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17 caspers going round manchester, nice.
What are caspers?
I think @jonesy3001 was referring to the suggestion the 323s would be painted into a (ghostly) white base livery.
I'd hazard a guess at all white trains...
jonesy3001
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Yes, probably similar to 153305 when it was with northern before going to scotrail for bike conversion.
Firstly, the 321s and 322s run on aire/wharfedale lines as well
Secondly, it makes sense to use a 333 rather than a Diesel to aid the 321s and 322s on Leeds to Doncasters as 321s and 322s are stuggling at the moment (at least, thats what I've heard from others in the thread).
Where did you hear that the 331s will be introduced then because according to this source they're scheduled to enter service next month
https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...thern-class-331s-to-serve-leeds-from-may.html
So unless the source is credible (e.g: the northern drivers group on FB that i've kept hering about on this thread, on news sites, or you work for Northern/know someone who does) then im not believing it.
So, I guess the thing that @jonesy3001 said about the 323s is true
xotGD
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Considering that a 331 hasn't made it East of the Pennines yet, I'd be amazed if they enter service out of Leeds at the timetable change.
The 321 and 322 fleet is going to have to soldier on for a few months longer.
The 321 and 322 fleet is going to have to soldier on for a few months longer.
61653 HTAFC
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Was at Leeds on Monday and saw 2 or 3 32x knocking about. Mind you I did also see a 170 on a Doncaster service at around 1730ish!
Couldn't a 333 just replace that 170, I think its pointless to run a DMU on a service that runs on electric wires all the way
59CosG95
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Tell that to VTWC, and most freight operating companies...
freight operating companies probably need diesels as the route may run on non electrified routes but VTWC, i don't really know how they run but I take your word for it
59CosG95
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They do run a lot of Voyager services under the wires the whole way, Euston-Birmingham services being the main culprit. North Wales services and the Shrewsbury service are understandable, however.
xotGD
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The 170 is used because there is a shortage of emus, not by choice.
jonesy3001
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Most voyagers do a wales diagram then go on to the scotland diagram, one was on the manchester a few weeks ago due to the problems at milton keynes last month.
But this discussion is for another thread.
jonesy3001
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probably be the same has the 319s before they got refurbed.
jonesy3001
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Any credible proof that they're not entering service in May (e.g: A Northern Driver/counductor has told you or you've found out via a credible source such as railway gazette)
The proof is that all testing on them has been postponed due to a design/manufacturing defect. Until that can be sorted, which people from inside Northern have said in this very forum is likely to be a couple of months. Driver/instructor training has been on hold for weeks now because of the same problem.
So, right now, these are trains which nobody is trained to drive, with no trained guards, and which are unsafe to use on anything other than straight track.
Still think they're going to enter service six weeks tomorrow? Because I certainly don't. Not in Leeds or anywhere else.