Bletchleyite
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Damn. My razor blade order will be delayed, and the Coca Cola Company might be a bit miffed at running short of cans.
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East Midlands franchise won by Abellio
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Damn. My razor blade order will be delayed, and the Coca Cola Company might be a bit miffed at running short of cans.
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Glenn1969
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You not thrilled with the hourly Doncaster- Lincoln- Peterborough service then?
Which 180s anyway, don’t Hull Trains only have about 4, half of which are permanently broken? Surely that’s never going to cover the HSTs even with Corby 222s and GC need their 180s for a while yet don’t they?
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They don't want the MML trains clogged up with London commuters going home to Snorbans.
Look what they've done to Luton & Bedford passengers already.
GC have no plans (publicly anyway) to replace their 180s so they'll need them for, er, a permanent period.
HT 180s remain the only possible contender other than 222s internally cascaded once Corby can go electric. The reality is that EMR are going to have to get a derogation for some of their HSTs to continue as there just aren't any fleets of suitable rolling stock out there that could replace the HSTs in the timescale available.
Plus not the wording used:
The timescale is "from May 2020" not December and it's "some" HSTs not all. To be honest I'm flipping towards 180s being the option utilised. HTs four will be available from early 2020 which ties in nicely with a "from May 2020" start date.
Meanwhile we know that the Corby service isn't mentioned as getting new stock until December 2020. I mean that starts to narrow the field of two down to one...
That being said the wires are still supposed to be available from December 2019 so perhaps there will be some EMUs used in the interim period between December 2019 and December 2020 when the new permanent fleet is due to start.
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Every seat has a table now: either in facing bays or on the seat back of the seat in front in the airline-style seats.
NoMorePacers
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EMR should only take HT 180s if they're interested in them blowing up.
Yes but why then mention it as a thing? The entire current fleet would meet that criteria as it stands right now! It did strike me as something of an oddity to be brought up.
Qwerty133
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And at least one that has a mix of airline seats with and without seat back tables.
From what I remember a mismatch of nearly identical seats that were no longer required in other units were put in the EMT 153s to give a somewhat standardised product (although my personal opinion is that they chose the ugliest and least comfortable option on offer).
A question, in the DFT statement, we can get:
For Not to LD and Sheffield to Ld, from May 2020, modern diesel trains will begin to replace aging HSTs. Timetable changes will enable faster journey times from December 2020.
Where to find this so-called modern diesel to replace the current HSTs (15 of HSTs) before May 2020?
For Not to LD and Sheffield to Ld, from May 2020, modern diesel trains will begin to replace aging HSTs. Timetable changes will enable faster journey times from December 2020.
Where to find this so-called modern diesel to replace the current HSTs (15 of HSTs) before May 2020?
Class 68 only for 100 mph running, unlikely to replace HST then, i guess
But base on NR's credibility, are u sure Kettering-Corby electrification will finish before May 2020?
**will begin to** e.g. limited number
Yes - Given the amount already done and other bits in progress.
Deliberately badly worded by DfT to mislead!
Min. 4 units given interworking and awkward timings
From Rail mag 12 months ago:
https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/bombardier-bi-mode-aventra-to-feature-battery-power
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Having lloked at the DfT website concerning Abellio's win. I did wonder whether there would be a second service from Nottingham to Lincoln across Newark Flat Crossing. Would the new Nottingham to Grimsby service be it?
Same 24m Bodyshell as the Anglia/C2C/WM Aventra but with different cabs just adding off the shelf engine rafts and same electronics as the rest. Most of it following on from 2400 other cars they will already have built.
IEP but GW's didn't take 4 years. East Coast were always last in the queue for the original order.
There is a thread about the stock. Hitachi can definitely deliver the order by then. It's extremely unlikely Bombardier could. The 800s and 802s have 5 diesel engines in 9 car sets and have space to add 1-2 extra. That wouldn't require much extra development time than an order for an existing model.
If they go for Hull Trains 180s over keeping an extra pair of HSTs for two more years then they are nuts.
HamworthyGoods
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How do you know they are inferior? The original interior HSTs are very much like marmite as many people hate them with things like the immovable arms as love them.
First Bi-mode in service for April 2022.
Which fits very well with Bombardier.
Hitachi could deliver earlier...
Can't help but say that it brings to mind Thameslink replacing the 377s/387s (which I really liked travelling on) with 700s
clagmonster
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No. There is only a path for one passenger train an hour. This effectively replaces the Lincoln-Leicester on the Lincoln - Notts stretch.
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Because they were short of bullet points and the list of improvements looked short?! They are also claiming air conditioning as an improvement on the London services, even though the MML has had aircon stock since the 1970s!
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