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Great Northern Carnet tickets - what am I being accused of?

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jon0844

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I currently travel Welwyn Garden City (to Kings Cross) and onwards to Blackfrairs (using Oyster) two days a week. The lack of off-peak weekday single ticket makes not using Carnet cards prohibitively expensive. It seems that Carnet card users are piggy in the middle between GTR and the DfT, so I'll expect to continue to be treated poorly, having tickets that don't work at barriers and with continual suspicion, until a new system for part-time workers is found.

If you're going from platform 2 then the only train would be your train to King's Cross, so just get there before the train has arrived and people are getting off. You'd risk missing the train otherwise.

If getting the semi-fast service at xx02 and xx32 then the only train I can think of coming in would be the xx26 and xx56 (each likely to arrive at xx21 and xx51 give or take) in the other direction, so why aren't you waiting until everyone has left? You'd have loads of time. As in 5-6 minutes minimum.

You'd surely know the train is running at this point? If it was cancelled for some reason (train fault coming out of the yard or something) then would you abort your journey instead of getting another train, like perhaps a Moorgate stopper and changing at Finsbury Park?

You need to have written on the date BEFORE going through the barrier. Not asking to get let through and asking for a stamp (which I believe they'll insist on doing) and then writing on the date. The stamp can be washed off, so they'll be pretty upset if you are asking for a stamp and then offering to date it after. What if you don't? Obviously not suggesting you wouldn't, but once you cross the gateline you need to be in possession of a valid ticket, which it wouldn't be.
 
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This seems an easy fix. Date the card before the barrier. There must be a quiet spot/corner where this can be done out of the way of others, whilst/after checking if the trains are running satisfactorily. Or, as someone else said upthread, there are plenty of apps where live train times can be monitored. This seems to be a conflict that can be so easily avoided.
 

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This seems an easy fix. Date the card before the barrier. There must be a quiet spot/corner where this can be done out of the way of others, whilst/after checking if the trains are running satisfactorily. Or, as someone else said upthread, there are plenty of apps where live train times can be monitored. This seems to be a conflict that can be so easily avoided.

Top of the bridge works for me. They even have a monitor on it.

What I don’t get is if the can offer a peak product why not off peak? Surely a product is a product and the price isn’t relevant.

Many from WGC but peak down and off-peak up. It makes it very cheap. Probably too cheap for dft’s liking. If the off-peak is withdrawn back to a season for me.
 

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I currently travel Welwyn Garden City (to Kings Cross) and onwards to Blackfrairs (using Oyster) two days a week. The lack of off-peak weekday single ticket makes not using Carnet cards prohibitively expensive. It seems that Carnet card users are piggy in the middle between GTR and the DfT, so I'll expect to continue to be treated poorly, having tickets that don't work at barriers and with continual suspicion, until a new system for part-time workers is found.
Could you confirm when you actually travel in each direction. I.e. is it peak in the morning and off-peak in the evening? I'm wondering whether you might be better off just getting a WGC to London Thameslink return at £20.20. This would save you having to use Oyster at £4.80 per day and mean that you could change at Finsbury Park onto a following Thameslink train to Blackfriars.
 

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Sorry, but why not date the ticket as you approach the barrier?

It's what I do.
Does nobody read the whole thread? For over two years I have and I do stand before the gate and date my ticket. It's only under the particular circumstance that I naively thought the GTR dated stamp was better than my own markings on a ticket. Since raised on here it seems that their ink isn't permanent so that's the cause of the issue.
 

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Could you confirm when you actually travel in each direction. I.e. is it peak in the morning and off-peak in the evening? I'm wondering whether you might be better off just getting a WGC to London Thameslink return at £20.20. This w
As far as I can tell you can't buy a ticket from WGC to London thameslink. It always gives you a WGC to London terminals ticket which isn't valid to BFR (although I have been told your ticket actually works at the barrier at BFR by an ex-colleague from HIT).
My current costing are carnet peak £8.10 WGC -> London Terminals (KGX), £2.40 STP -> BFR, £2.40 BFR -> STP. carnet off-peak £5.80 London Terminals -> WGC. £18.70.
 

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As far as I can tell you can't buy a ticket from WGC to London thameslink. It always gives you a WGC to London terminals ticket which isn't valid to BFR (although I have been told your ticket actually works at the barrier at BFR by an ex-colleague from HIT).
My current costing are carnet peak £8.10 WGC -> London Terminals (KGX), £2.40 STP -> BFR, £2.40 BFR -> STP. carnet off-peak £5.80 London Terminals -> WGC. £18.70.
http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=WGC&dest=BFR&grpd=4452&rte=208&tkt=SDR

It may not be available at a machine, but it is available. £1.50 more, but avoids hassle of changing at Kings Cross and using Oyster/contactless. Also avoids having to date carnets and the associated worries about being accused of evasion.
 

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http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=WGC&dest=BFR&grpd=4452&rte=208&tkt=SDR

It may not be available at a machine, but it is available. £1.50 more, but avoids hassle of changing at Kings Cross and using Oyster/contactless. Also avoids having to date carnets and the associated worries about being accused of evasion.
When can I buy these tickets? Day before - very unpractical - I'd have to either arrive extra early to buy on the day or the day before? I currently queue up once every 3 weeks! Does Key Go give this fare????
Actually changing at Kings Cross not only saves me money but also saves me time. In theory I should get off at FPK and get on the Horsham train - in practice I'm normally on the train two before that at STP. Far worse if its cancelled or late (which it normally is).
It all isn't working well.
 

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So basically forgetting me asking to date my ticket the wrong side of the gate just before there's a crush, I'd have to be majorly inconvenienced and pay more not to be treated like a criminal even though I'm a regular law abiding paying customer. Thank you GTR.
 

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When can I buy these tickets? Day before - very unpractical - I'd have to either arrive extra early to buy on the day or the day before? I currently queue up once every 3 weeks! Does Key Go give this fare????
Actually changing at Kings Cross not only saves me money but also saves me time. In theory I should get off at FPK and get on the Horsham train - in practice I'm normally on the train two before that at STP. Far worse if its cancelled or late (which it normally is).
It all isn't working well.
National Rail redirected me to Thameslink to purchase. Thameslink suggested I might want to use The Key smartcard, so it's possible you can add it to that. Online tickets are usually available straight away from Thameslink so you can order on your phone and collect at the station, or load onto the Key.

Obviously you have more trains at St Pancras, but if there's not too long to wait at FPK it will save the walk between stations. You're the one making the journey, I just wanted to offer an alternative option. It would be better if the London Thameslink tickets were available in carnet form of course.
 

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Oh, and later this year you might be able to use contactless all the way from WGC to BFR.
 

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Oh, and later this year you might be able to use contactless all the way from WGC to BFR.
For £20.20
National Rail redirected me to Thameslink to purchase. Thameslink suggested I might want to use The Key smartcard, so it's possible you can add it to that. Online tickets are usually available straight away from Thameslink so you can order on your phone and collect at the station, or load onto the Key.

Obviously you have more trains at St Pancras, but if there's not too long to wait at FPK it will save the walk between stations. You're the one making the journey, I just wanted to offer an alternative option. It would be better if the London Thameslink tickets were available in carnet form of course.
I've been told Carnet to Thameslink will never be available from GN. I don't believe for once that contactless in the proposed form will be of use at all (except for the queuing aspect). No off-peak fares or consideration for part-time workers will jigger that. Ditto The Key which can go wrong and you're stuffed.
Currently heading to Kings Cross and walking to St Pancras is far superior in reality (doesn't take anywhere near the official 30 minutes) - and at 2/4 trains per hour from FPK probably always will be (compared to the far more frequent trains from St Albans and Bedford).
Hopefully after commuting into London from WGC for the last 14 years I can stop soon. I've had enough. It takes far longer than it used to and not been that fun in the last few years. When the mega-apartments on Broadwater Road are built and occupied, it will be hell.
 
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