Both are relatively recent i.e. after the Competition Commission ruling. Off the top of my head I would say both are in the last two years.
Update: going back through the thread this is when it seemed to happen:
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Both are relatively recent i.e. after the Competition Commission ruling. Off the top of my head I would say both are in the last two years.
Update: going back through the thread this is when it seemed to happen:
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Clearly Trent Barton could chose to accept Notts and Derby tickets if they wanted to as they already sell / accept a plethora of multi-operator tickets:
https://trentbarton.co.uk/fares-and-tickets/joined-up-journeys
While nothing is the equivalent of a Zig Zag, they could at least offer the Red Arrow add-ons that they do for Derby Skylink, Derby Arriva, NCT and NET customers.
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The Sevens, when they go to Notts & Derby, by not accepting Zig Zag, and if it is like the 12 which was the late Zoom, there will be a set charge to use Mango ie the cards don't actually work on the machine you just get a discount, but this won't be widely advertised, there will be no publicity available and gradually the service will drop in usage and timetable, until like the 12 it is withdrawn entirely.....
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According to a source on the derbybusdepot forum Notts and Derby will get two solos with the same ticket machines as trentbarton which will make using mango easier.
WillPS
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The great cascade begins at NCT on Monday, the 10-reg Omnidekkas on the Brown Line are replaced by Biogas buses. I presume these will then be repainted and refurbished for use on the 4, 34 or 100 (could also be the 48 or 49, but I think Enviro 400s from Turquoise on the 48 would make sense). Or are these in fact going to be withdrawn?
Next in line is the Lilac 27. Most of the Omnidekkas on here have now been rebranded in to the spare livery. I presume the last couple will be rebranded for one of the above routes too. This should then allow the remaining pre-2008 spares to be withdrawn.
I wonder whether a daytime frequency lift for the 100 is in order at the same time. Pretty much all the peak time ones are full as it stands.
Next in line is the Lilac 27. Most of the Omnidekkas on here have now been rebranded in to the spare livery. I presume the last couple will be rebranded for one of the above routes too. This should then allow the remaining pre-2008 spares to be withdrawn.
I wonder whether a daytime frequency lift for the 100 is in order at the same time. Pretty much all the peak time ones are full as it stands.
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I thought that the 28 was next in line, and I think the only other confirmed route apart from this so far is the 68/69 although repaints of the 27 suggest that it will also see the gas buses. When the gas buses were announced the numbers were looked at, and it looked like it would be the 17, 27, 28, 58, 68/69, 77 and 89 recieving gas buses.
If those routes are correct, there would be enough Enviro 400s going spare for the Navy 48, 49 and Pathfinder 100 to see Enviro 400s, with the 4, 34 and 56/57/59 running with the newer Omnidekkas. The whole double decker fleet will probably only consist of gas buses and N230UDs, and I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of the older single decker spares were withdrawn.
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There are eight routes due to receive the new Gas Buses. Four have been advertised publicly so far: 17, 27, 28 & 68/69.
The other four will be advertised in due course.
You'll probably find less cascading than might be expected.
WillPS
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Definitely the 27 next...
https://www.facebook.com/GbBusCoachEnthusiasts/posts/1088796191305762?hc_location=ufi - I believe there are now 2/3 19-reg Lilac biogas buses on site. I guess they could be planning a frequency increase for the 24/25/26, but that strikes me as less likely.
There are only 9 branded Enviro 400s (all on the 77) amongst those routes you mentioned to receive Biogas buses.
There are currently 8 Omnidekkas on the 48 alone. Unless the 78/79 Enviro 400s (or some others) are also cascaded, there isn't enough to cover the 49 or 100.
28 is due in the Summer. I guess since those will definitely be withdrawn it makes more sense to free up the vehicles they want to keep and cascade. That said, it does appear the 17-allocated Omnidekkas might be withdrawn. They have not been internally refurbished at all, nor stripped of their interior branding (which sometimes happens ahead of the vehicles being removed from service for repainting).
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There are also 9 on the 58 which are likely to be replaced this year. Looking at the comments further down that page, it is suggested that the 48 will see some Enviro 400s off the 58 or 77. There are 18 on these two routes, with the 48 needing 8, 49 needing 4 and the 100 needing 4.
EDIT: Just had a little look online. It seems like the order for the routes confirmed so far is Brown 17, Lilac 27, Purple 89 (towards the end of next month), Pink 28 (this summer) and Yellow 68/69 (this year). NCT have confirmed the 17, 89, 28 and 68/69, and as linked above the Lilac 27 buses are coming.
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WillPS
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Quite right! Pardon my error.
In that case, it would probably make sense for those two routes to get their Biogas buses soon to allow 48, 49 and 100 cascades to happen over the Spring, then 68/69 early Summer to allow those vehicles to be rebranded (and upgraded?) ready for the 4/34 in September.
That would be the limit of any cascade then, Pink 28 Omnidekkas would be withdrawn (presumably late Summer?), Purple 89 Omnidekkas also withdrawn.
However you look at it it is one mighty bit of fleet renewal happening in a single year.
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There are older buses to withdraw before the 89s, they'll be around for a few years longer!
You might find a few surprises coming up for the 49 too...
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The new buses have now entered service - on the 17.
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There's been a press release confirming some of what's been said about the new buses.
https://www.nctx.co.uk/first-67-mor...s20m-investment-low-emission-buses-nottingham
New biogas buses for the Navy 49 by any chance? That makes 5 routes - Navy 49, Lime 58, Yellow 68/69 (confirmed) and Turquoise 77.
https://www.nctx.co.uk/first-67-mor...s20m-investment-low-emission-buses-nottingham
Lime 58, Yellow 68/69 and Turquoise 77 for 4 of those routes I'm assuming from this.
New biogas buses for the Navy 49 by any chance? That makes 5 routes - Navy 49, Lime 58, Yellow 68/69 (confirmed) and Turquoise 77.
NCT have announced this morning changes to the 49, which will see the Centrelink abolished, and Queens Drive park and ride served by the 49... and new buses!
https://www.nctx.co.uk/parkandride
https://www.nctx.co.uk/parkandride
Funnily enough there's no mention of the free service within the city being abolished or retained but I bet it's the former!
edwin_m
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That takes us back to the situation of about 10 years ago when the P&R services were part of the NCT network. Very convenient if you usually used the bus but had to take a car in on the occasional day and could leave it at the P&R at no extra cost (in my case on the days when I had to drop my son at the nursery).
The service was originally free in the city centre but became chargeable soon after the electric buses came in, due to council funding cuts I think. It has become free again due to the Broadmarsh works, presumably to make it easier for people to get to and from alternative bus stops, but I assume the plan was to make it chargeable again when the Broadmarsh was finished.
Wonder what will happen to the electrics and their charging facility next to the P&R...
NCT have confirmed in a response to someone on Facebook that the free bit in the city centre will no longer be free. Also interestingly they have also confirmed in another response that the 49 will not be an exact fare service and will give change.
So we're back to the City Loop - but a rather worse frequency than every 2-3 minutes when all the Green Line buses ran on it.
At least every 5 minutes, which is where we’re at now, isn’t bad though really, is it? (Green 5-11 inclusive.)
Plus with the Navy 49 added in too, it’ll be a bit less than that at times.
Edit - and the Navy 4 (during uni terms) and Orange 34 come to think of it!
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Apologies - perhaps a bit long since I looked at the loop last.
And Turquoise 77/78/79 - with a different start/end point.... Does seem to have a lumpy schedule - all seem to arrive within about 4 minutes then nothing for the next 6...
UniLink 4 hasn't done the city loop since it came into existence
Totally forgot about Turquoise! I included Navy 4 because it does the railway station/Maid Marian Way to the general area of the Victoria Centre (ish - it’s a stones throw!), but I should’ve made it clearer what I meant, apologies!
Pretty much back to how it was when NCT ran the Citylink 1
Mitch in Notts
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The major inconvenience will be for those travellers arriving at Victoria Bus Station from the north (on the Threes, Pronto, SA etc) who want Broadmarsh/ National Express/ Railway Station who will now be facing a trek to Parliament Street for a bus to the south side of the city.
As a Preston born lad I've never really understood Nottingham's Public transport total lack of connectivity! Growing up with Western Europe's largest bus station a single bus journey away spoils you a bit.
It's not like the walking route between the Vic and Broadmarsh is particularly brilliant either.
Most of the local services have very good connectivity - it just doesn't involve bus stations. I did think it was a mistake shrinking both bus stations, but most services never used either.
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Yep, the bus stations are mostly served by interurban routes, most of the local routes serve Friar Lane/Angel Row, then straight back out to the outer terminus.
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It's certainly a bit surprising that there isn't a City Loop from the north. I would have thought that any of those Mansfield Road services could have looped round via Broadmarsh.
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