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Climate Change Strike: Children walk out of school to protest at the lack of action

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Rubbish. The very worst cases have some areas of the planet being deeply unpleasant to live in by the end of the century. By 2030 we might have a few low-lying areas flooded, the occasional crop failure, and an increase in extreme weather events. But most people will be able to carry on much as normal, which is the problem with persuading anyone to take action which will disrupt their lifestyle now.
That would be very nice indeed, but sadly current data shows how quickly it's happening. And coal and oil production is still increasing, not taking action isn't much of an option now, although having until 2100 would certainly be very nice, it isn't realistic.
 
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That would be very nice indeed, but sadly current data shows how quickly it's happening. And coal and oil production is still increasing, not taking action isn't much of an option now, although having until 2100 would certainly be very nice, it isn't realistic.

JamesT is correct. Current data and climate change models suggest global temperature rises of between 2 C and 4 C by the end of the century, depending on what happens with CO2 emissions in the meantime. And there are also other problems - most obviously, loss of insects, acidfication of the seas, etc. All that is enough to make quite a bit of the World pretty unpleasant in 80 year's time. But, barring some completely unexpected catastrophe, there is no plausible scenario in which the World will become uninhabitable in just 11 year's time, as you claimed earlier.

Climate change is undoubtedly a huge problem - arguably one of the most pressing problems facing humanity, and I totally agree with the children who are 'striking' in support of climate change action. But it really doesn't help matters to make daft exaggerated claims like 'The Climate Crisis could well mean that the earth in uninhabitable by 2030'
 

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More like been indoctrinated by leftie teachers

Hahaha good one.

As a) University history lecturer and b) a fully paid up lefty, i can assure you i have neither the time, interest or inclination to share my poltical views with my students.

I am quite touched that you think we educators have such power to reshape young minds. I can't get them to complete a footnote properly let alone remould their socio-poltical view of the world.
 
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Hahaha good one.

As a) University history lecturer and b) a fully paid up lefty, i can assure you i have neither the time, interest or inclination to share my poltical views with my students.

I am quite touched that you think we educators have such power to reshape young minds. I can't get them to complete a footnote properly let alone remould their socio-poltical view of the world.
Brilliant.
 

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More like been indoctrinated by leftie teachers.
I find it interesting that you think that this going to happen, it's impossible to get any political views or predictions from my Politics teacher, with one exception, that he doesn't like Donald Trump, which I suppose does mean he might not be a 'leftie', and I suppose he might be the exception. I know he does vote, though, but not which way, though he talks about his Uncle in North Wales who doesn't. Does anyone else here study politics - or has done.
 

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When studying IB Global Politics, I knew my teacher had campaigned for Obama (basic leafleting), but that was only because I'd spoken to him outside of class. Knowing he supported the Democrats was utterly irrelevant when he was teaching us the basics of Cultural Marxism, for example.

Now doing an IR degree, I can have a go at guessing the political ideology of a lecturer, but it's never obvious. They put down facts, scholarly opinion, their own interpretation of the topic (sometimes) and then we go off, read, and form an opinion. Although rare, lecturers are sometimes 'heckled' by students. I also know of a lecture on feminism as a political ideology where some students walked out.

I had lectures on both the Conservative and Labour political parties last week. Neither of them changed my ideology.
 

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I notice that the idiots are out in force in the village again, causing as much disruption as they can with no care for others or indeed the actual thing they are protesting about. Currently over 100 arrests

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47945397 said:
More than 100 climate change activists have been arrested for blocking roads in central London, amid protests aimed at shutting down the capital....

The Met said 113 people had been arrested as of 06:00 BST on Tuesday.
 

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I notice that the idiots are out in force in the village again, causing as much disruption as they can with no care for others or indeed the actual thing they are protesting about. Currently over 100 arrests
I hope that they have the book thrown at them in court.
 

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Now over 200 arrests... don’t these idiots have anything better to do? I hope the law comes down on them hard
 

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Well....if they're protesting to try and save the planet then I'd say no, they haven't got anything better to do!
Indeed.
This is what they see as the most important issue of our time.
It remains to be seen how history will look back upon them...

Edit - And us.
 

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From what I gather, the police said, "Here's a space where you can protest", and the protesters said "lol no" and decided to disrupt everyone else's lives.
 

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I notice that the idiots are out in force in the village again, causing as much disruption as they can with no care for others or indeed the actual thing they are protesting about. Currently over 100 arrests

I don't think it's fair to say that the protesters don't care about the thing they are protesting about: They are actually prepared to be arrested and go to court - that's a pretty big sacrifice, which would indicate that they care very deeply about climate change. Having said that, I don't approve of their methods. Violence as a way of protesting is virtually never justified, deliberately causing disruption not normally justified. (Although stripping in Parliament seems more harmless and somewhat fun :) ) And the stated aims of this protest seem completely unrealistic.

But I think that it should be clarified that these protests are nothing to do with the subject of this thread: The schoolchildren's regular climate strike. Totally different organisation. Different people protesting. And somewhat different aims too.
 

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I don't think it's fair to say that the protesters don't care about the thing they are protesting about: They are actually prepared to be arrested and go to court - that's a pretty big sacrifice, which would indicate that they care very deeply about climate change. Having said that, I don't approve of their methods. Violence as a way of protesting is virtually never justified, deliberately causing disruption not normally justified. (Although stripping in Parliament seems more harmless and somewhat fun :) ) And the stated aims of this protest seem completely unrealistic.

But I think that it should be clarified that these protests are nothing to do with the subject of this thread: The schoolchildren's regular climate strike. Totally different organisation. Different people protesting. And somewhat different aims too.
Agreed. The lack of action being taken on the Climate Crisis and the immediate risk to life on earth as a whole (or what's left of it) is more than just scary, and I completely see why you would be willing to be arrested for it. The aims of Extinction Rebellion do sound unrealistic, but they are also what is needed to prevent irreversible climate breakdown, so I support them. The Fridays For Future movement (mostly school students) is separate to Extinction Rebellion but with similar aims to them. :)
 

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From what I gather, the police said, "Here's a space where you can protest", and the protesters said "lol no" and decided to disrupt everyone else's lives.
Disruption is necessary, the media would't report on it nearly as much had they not caused disruption, and although it may inconvenience a few people the awareness it raises could literally save our lives.
 

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Disruption is necessary, the media would't report on it nearly as much had they not caused disruption, and although it may inconvenience a few people the awareness it raises could literally save our lives.
Well, a fair few of these environmentalists are likely middle class who will be environmentalists until it infringes onto their own conveniences, like preventing them from using their car anywhere, going on holiday abroad x times a year and getting the latest tech. I do somewhat agree with you about the post though.
 

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Even if your supposition is correct, it doesn't alter the validity of the message.
 

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Well, a fair few of these environmentalists are likely middle class who will be environmentalists until it infringes onto their own conveniences, like preventing them from using their car anywhere, going on holiday abroad x times a year and getting the latest tech. I do somewhat agree with you about the post though.
Changing the habits of society takes a painfully long time, it's hard enough changing your own habits sometimes, but it is changing (slowly)
 

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It would be a bit of a crap protest if it didn't cause any disruption or get any attention. That would be like school teachers striking in August.
Yup. Also it's like if school pupils were to only strike on weekends, would it have gained anywhere near as much media attention as it has done? Of course not.
 
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