WCRC on Lakes Line at Easter.

30907 · 17 Apr 2019

Apologies if I have missed a thread about this, but apparently WCRC are running a shuttle on the Windermere branch on Easter Eve and Easter Day when the main line is closed. Otherwise both branch and main line are RRBs. No timetable on RTT as yet.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds...this-easter-between-oxenholme-and-windermere/

Passengers will be able to travel on a specially-chartered shuttle train between Oxenholme and Windermere on the Lake District railway line this weekend.

Due to essential Network Rail engineering work on the adjoining West Coast main line over the Easter weekend, plans are already in place for a comprehensive bus service to replace trains.

The important rail upgrade work is part of the Great North Rail Project.

Now, with the weather set fair ahead of the Easter bank holiday weekend, a Lakes Line shuttle train has also been arranged for customers to provide they with an additional travel option on Saturday and Sunday.

This Lakes shuttle service, which will be free of charge, was jointly devised by Network Rail, local MP Tim Farron and charter operator West Coast Railways.

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xotGD · 18 Apr 2019

This looks interesting!

If anyone gets early gen regarding what will be working this, please, please post it here!!!

Freightmaster · 18 Apr 2019

xotGD said:
If anyone gets early gen regarding what will be working this, please, please post it here!!!

I've seen various quotes, but 47826+832 seem to be the current favourites...

MARK

Bletchleyite · 18 Apr 2019

This rather suggests Northern are a bit lazy when they could have run a Class 158 up there prior to the blockade rather than putting buses on?

Ianno87 · 18 Apr 2019

Bletchleyite said:
This rather suggests Northern are a bit lazy when they could have run a Class 158 up there prior to the blockade rather than putting buses on?

Depends if it can be fuelled for long enough?

xotGD · 18 Apr 2019

Freightmaster said:
I've seen various quotes, but 47826+832 seem to be the current favourites...

MARK

Thanks - saves a trip!

Starmill · 19 Apr 2019

Ianno87 said:
Depends if it can be fuelled for long enough?

What is the typical range of a 2 car 158?

Bovverboy · 19 Apr 2019

30907 said:
Apologies if I have missed a thread about this, but apparently WCRC are running a shuttle on the Windermere branch on Easter Eve and Easter Day when the main line is closed. Otherwise both branch and main line are RRBs. No timetable on RTT as yet.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds...this-easter-between-oxenholme-and-windermere/

Times for Saturday are now on RTT. It's 0937/1037/1137/1337/1537/1737 ex Oxenholme, 1006/1106/1206/1437/1637/1837 ex Windermere.
Note that while the hourly service is running (AM) there's only 4-6 minutes turnaround time at each end, then 66 minutes dwell at Oxenholme 1231-1337, then 35 minutes at each end until finish. No sign of how the set gets to Oxenholme at commencement.
Surprised there's been no mention of any journeys on Monday, the NT service doesn't resume until early afternoon.

Bovverboy · 19 Apr 2019

Starmill said:
What is the typical range of a 2 car 158?

Much further than twelve trips to Windermere and back.

30907 · 19 Apr 2019

Bovverboy said:
Much further than twelve trips to Windermere and back.

What about the retention tanks?

Much as I like loco hauled trains, I can't help feeling that the money could have been better spent on 2-3 extra buses to run Lancaster-(Oxenholme?)-Kendal-Windermere.

nat67 · 19 Apr 2019

30907 said:
What about the retention tanks?

Much as I like loco hauled trains, I can't help feeling that the money could have been better spent on 2-3 extra buses to run Lancaster-(Oxenholme?)-Kendal-Windermere.

What and clogg up the roads at Easter in such lovely weather. So not realistic.

SeanG · 19 Apr 2019

30907 said:
What about the retention tanks?

Could have just locked out the toilet for such a short run

30907 · 19 Apr 2019

nat67 said:
What and clogg up the roads at Easter in such lovely weather. So not realistic.

The Lancaster to Kendal section is motorway/dual carriageway, and one extra bus an hour won't make much difference (and might even keep at least 3 cars off the road).
I would guess that the WCRC would result in more cars trying to access Oxenholme/Kendal, neither of which are easy places for parking from experience, whereas running RRBs direct from Lancaster might encourage more people to use rail as far as there.

HotelNovember · 19 Apr 2019

Bletchleyite said:
This rather suggests Northern are a bit lazy when they could have run a Class 158 up there prior to the blockade rather than putting buses on?

Assuming that Network Rail would have let a unit stable in the platform at Oxenholme or Windermere?

Suraggu · 19 Apr 2019

I had heard 47245/851 last night.

30907 · 19 Apr 2019

Judging by the Northern website, the chances of crews being available on Sunday in the NW are even less than usual

nat67 · 19 Apr 2019

Suraggu said:
I had heard 47245/851 last night.

245 when did West Coast release that.

Bovverboy · 19 Apr 2019

Bovverboy said:
Times for Saturday are now on RTT.

Times for Sunday same as Saturday. again, no sign of how the stock gets to/from Oxenholme.

Bletchleyite · 20 Apr 2019

HotelNovember said:
Assuming that Network Rail would have let a unit stable in the platform at Oxenholme or Windermere?

Where is the LHCS stabling?

Bletchleyite · 20 Apr 2019

30907 said:
Judging by the Northern website, the chances of crews being available on Sunday in the NW are even less than usual

So it was convenient that Northern had an excuse not to run it.

That figures.

Starmill · 20 Apr 2019

Bovverboy said:
Much further than twelve trips to Windermere and back.

I guess it's actually double that plus round trip mileage from the depot, in reality. Surely that's still not even approaching the typical range of a 158 though?

Suraggu · 20 Apr 2019

nat67 said:
245 when did West Coast release that.

245 was out working this week.

nat67 · 20 Apr 2019

Suraggu said:
245 was out working this week.

Nice I haven't seen that for a year or so. I thought to my self it had just been put back into service. But realised it's a Vac 47.

Freightmaster · 20 Apr 2019

Bovverboy said:
Times for Saturday are now on RTT...
No sign of how the set gets to Oxenholme at commencement.

The ecs ran from Carnforth to Oxenholme on Friday evening:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O00170/2019/04/19/advanced

There will presumably be a similar return working on Monday afternoon,
once the WCML reopens

MARK

Suraggu · 20 Apr 2019

nat67 said:
Nice I haven't seen that for a year or so. I thought to my self it had just been put back into service. But realised it's a Vac 47.

Dual braked.

xotGD · 20 Apr 2019

47826 and 47851 reported elsewhere to be working this.

Starmill · 20 Apr 2019

xotGD said:
47826 and 47851 reported elsewhere to be working this.

Here they are at Oxenholme at the moment.

Bovverboy · 20 Apr 2019

Bovverboy said: ↑
Much further than twelve trips to Windermere and back.

Starmill said:
I guess it's actually double that plus round trip mileage from the depot, in reality.

No, it's twelve trips in total (six on each of the two days), plus mileage to depot and back.

Surely that's still not even approaching the typical range of a 158 though?

Indeed it isn't.

pdeaves · 20 Apr 2019

Could someone remind me please; when West Coast ran a service for two weeks in June 2018 did Northern provide replacement buses as well?

30907 · 20 Apr 2019

pdeaves said:
Could someone remind me please; when West Coast ran a service for two weeks in June 2018 did Northern provide replacement buses as well?

Yes. Or rather, Northern were already running buses, rather more frequently and for a greater part of the day. Much the same as this weekend.

WCRC on Lakes Line at Easter.

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