Nottingham 'Bus War'

Deerfold · 18 Apr 2019

Robertj21a said:
It's certainly a bit surprising that there isn't a City Loop from the north. I would have thought that any of those Mansfield Road services could have looped round via Broadmarsh.

The 1990s Centrelink 600/700 passed the Arena and then looped round Victoria bus station, stopping outside it. It changed its route and whether or not it charged a couple of times too.

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edwin_m · 18 Apr 2019

Robertj21a said:
It's certainly a bit surprising that there isn't a City Loop from the north. I would have thought that any of those Mansfield Road services could have looped round via Broadmarsh.

Yes, NCT seem to have decided that the destination everyone wants is Victoria Centre, with all radial routes stopping nearby except the blue group (and the changes to the 49 will partly fix this). Unfortunately from the point of integrated transport they've gone for the railway station that closed 50 years ago! However at least sending the Green routes round the loop means that all central bus stops except Victoria bus station are connected to Midland station.

There's also a concern that there is no more kerb space available in the city centre to be devoted to bus stops. Sending more routes round the loop would probably increase congestion and delay the extra and existing routes.

kevjs · 18 Apr 2019

edwin_m said:
Yes, NCT seem to have decided that the destination everyone wants is Victoria Centre, with all radial routes stopping nearby except the blue group (and the changes to the 49 will partly fix this). Unfortunately from the point of integrated transport they've gone for the railway station that closed 50 years ago! However at least sending the Green routes round the loop means that all central bus stops except Victoria bus station are connected to Midland station.

There's also a concern that there is no more kerb space available in the city centre to be devoted to bus stops. Sending more routes round the loop would probably increase congestion and delay the extra and existing routes.

They really need to finish Connecting Eastside - with Glasshouse Street being buses and bikes only.. (The original plan was for all the northbound traffic to use the current southbound route from the BBC Island to Aldi with the current northbound route being buses, bikes, and access only - the top half from the Ice Arena to Aldi was sorted years ago - it's just the bit round the Ice Arena/Bio City left).

kevjs · 18 Apr 2019

Deerfold said:
Most of the local services have very good connectivity - it just doesn't involve bus stations. I did think it was a mistake shrinking both bus stations, but most services never used either.

Switching from the city routes (especially from the south of town) to the routes to the north of the county (Mansfield, Ikea etc) is always a pain - it's the Vic Centre bus station being so far out that is the biggest annoyance. Transfering to a coach service isn't much better - either three services (bus to town, city loop, coach) or a long walk through the city centre...

bussnapperwm · 18 Apr 2019

As an aside, NCT 920 has been spotted in Walsall at the NXWM depot there

43055 · 18 Apr 2019

So after the consultation on the Sixes changes in May Trentbarton have made some changes...or not.

The routes shall remain the same (including 6.X) with the same frequency's but a new 6.0 will run as the short journeys between Belper and Derby which will increase to every 10 mins linking with routes 6.1 to 6.4

goldisgood · 18 Apr 2019

So all that's happened is the frequency of the main Derby to Belper route has increased to every 10 minutes? No increased frequency to Ripley or service to Kilburn? The consultation seems a bit pointless now, but I suppose there is some improvement with the increased Derby to Belper frequency. I wonder if there will be any new/newer buses coming on the route as the Scanias are now some of the oldest in the fleet.

43055 · 18 Apr 2019

goldisgood said:
So all that's happened is the frequency of the main Derby to Belper route has increased to every 10 minutes? No increased frequency to Ripley or service to Kilburn? The consultation seems a bit pointless now, but I suppose there is some improvement with the increased Derby to Belper frequency. I wonder if there will be any new/newer buses coming on the route as the Scanias are now some of the oldest in the fleet.

That's basically it. No increase in frequency after Belper to Ripley and no service to Kilburn.
There are 3 extra buses for the sixes. Possibly ex villager Scanias. Roomers have it that the Rainbow one is due to get new buses and they will then come over to the sixes but nothing have been confirmed.

Andyh82 · 18 Apr 2019

Maybe the consultation said that nobody wanted those changes but did want to keep the 6.X?

WillPS · 19 Apr 2019

Class 172 Fan said:
As an aside, NCT 920 has been spotted in Walsall at the NXWM depot there

Any idea why? Given its age I would presume this is one of the Dekka's NCT would keep for the time being; certainly at least until Lilac 27 moves to Biogas in a few weeks.

bussnapperwm · 19 Apr 2019

WillPS said:
Any idea why? Given its age I would presume this is one of the Dekka's NCT would keep for the time being; certainly at least until Lilac 27 moves to Biogas in a few weeks.

Not sure why as I only saw a photograph it at Walsall depot.

http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/Nottingham/920.html

Mitch in Notts · 19 Apr 2019

Andyh82 said:
Maybe the consultation said that nobody wanted those changes but did want to keep the 6.X?

Yep a lot of furore over the withdrawl of the 6.X has led presumably to the network remaining as it is now. Quite a shock really as the third edition, just released of the trentbartonland map, shows the Sixes doing the Kilburn Circular on it!

Anthony ross · 19 Apr 2019

Does anybody know where one can find a up to date fleetlist for ct4n ?

ACBest · 19 Apr 2019

Class 172 Fan said:
Not sure why as I only saw a photograph it at Walsall depot.

http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/Nottingham/920.html

It’s there for a repaint owing to NCT’s in-house paintshop being busy.

kevjs · 19 Apr 2019

All the branded Lilac Line 27s have left service prior to the introduction of biogas buses next month

https://twitter.com/NCT_Buses/status/1119273733133406212

Say goodbye to the last of the current style Lilac 27 branded double decks, ahead of brand new bio-gas buses being introduced on the route early next month. Our spare fleet of silver buses will be in use between #Carlton and City until they're introduced.

WillPS · 19 Apr 2019

ACBest said:
It’s there for a repaint owing to NCT’s in-house paintshop being busy.

Makes perfect sense! Mystery solved, thank you.

edwin_m · 19 Apr 2019

WillPS said:
Makes perfect sense! Mystery solved, thank you.

Ahhh, but what colour will it be?

WillPS · 20 Apr 2019

edwin_m said:
Ahhh, but what colour will it be?

Spare one would presume?

APT618S · 22 Apr 2019

Anthony ross said:
Does anybody know where one can find a up to date fleetlist for ct4n ?

Given that nobody else has replied with a "proper" list, I too have looked for a fleetlist for CT4N and been unable to find one.
The best I have been able to do so far is to find this fleet number list:
https://bustimes.org/operators/nottingham-community-transport/vehicles
and simply use google to find the registrations and bus lists on the web to find further info on chassis/body.

Bwsbro · 22 Apr 2019

CT4N have acquired 3 former Webberbus Versa’s from D Jones & Son YJ60FTA/F/N. These left Wrexham on Saturday

Mitch in Notts · 8 May 2019

The City Council have announced the revised Locallink network from the 23rd June. Detail on their public transport page here: https://www.transportnottingham.com/public-transport/bus-services/changes-locallink-services/

edwin_m · 8 May 2019

Mitch in Notts said:
The City Council have announced the revised Locallink network from the 23rd June. Detail on their public transport page here: https://www.transportnottingham.com/public-transport/bus-services/changes-locallink-services/

75min headways on L5 are a classic sign of desparation and likely to trigger a downward spiral as nobody can remember when the bus runs. Missing the lunchtime working on an hourly service as intended for L1 isn't much better.

Bwsbro · 6 Jun 2019

A strange Notice and Procedings for Diamond North West

DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Director(s): ROBERT ANTHONY DUNN, Simon Lee Dunn, Kim Taylor,
Matthew Paul Rawlinson
221 DEEPDALE ROAD, PRESTON, PR1 6NY
New operating centre: 221 Deepdale Road, Preston, PR1 6NY
New authorisation at this operating centre will be: 25 vehicle(s)
New operating centre: Units 10-11, Blackpool, FY4 4NW
New authorisation at this operating centre will be: 10 vehicle(s)
Increase at existing operating centre: UNIT 22/23, CHANTERS INDUSTRIAL
ESTATE, TYLDESLEY OLD ROAD, ATHERTON, MANCHESTER, M46 9BE
New authorisation at this operating centre will be: 70 vehicle(s)
Increase at existing operating centre: 186 Old Wellington Road, Eccles,
Manchester, Manchester, M30 9QC
New authorisation at this operating centre will be: 60 vehicle(s)
New operating centre: Heanor Depot, Heanor Gate Industrial Estate, Heanor Gate
Road, Heanor, DE757RJ
New authorisation at this operating centre will be: 125 vehicle(s)
Transport Manager(s): DAVID JOSEPH LEONARD, THOMAS LOUIS
CALDERBANK

Seems to be 125 vehicles at the same address as yourbus. Could Rotala have acquired the business??

mikeg · 6 Jun 2019

Certainly you will notice the Dunns in charge of both Rotala and Yours but as far as I can tell theyre separate companies still . Curiously nothing announced by Rotala to the stock exchange but what exactly do they have to disclose as an AIM company?

Man of Kent · 6 Jun 2019

From the Companies House website, it can be seen that Scott Dunn resigned as a director of Dunn Motor Traction (YourBus) earlier this year. However, he is still the sole shareholder. Accounts for this company, and for Motorcoach Ltd, which he also owns, are overdue. Strike-off action has commenced for the latter; it was started but has stopped for the former.

ag51ruk · 7 Jun 2019

As far as I know Yourbus haven't started any new services since they stopped running Derby - Alvaston, what happened to those buses? Although Yourbus certainly don't have 125 buses at Heanor!

ChrisC · 12 Jun 2019

Trent Barton having new ticket machines in September that will allow contactless payment. As part of the transition to the new machines top up of Mango will not be available on buses after 30th June until the new machines are installed. Mango can still be topped up online and at travel shops during this time. Trent Barton are promising lots of ‘new and exciting ways you can manage your Mango on the go’ when the new machines are installed. The excitement is too much, I really can’t wait. With reduction in discount since I first started using it from 20% down to 15% and recently down to just 10% and with the daily cap up from £5 to £5.85, I’m not sure that it will be that exciting.

Anthony ross · 12 Jun 2019

With this about rotala could we see them doing away with the Preston bus trading name and maybe re brand the Preston depot as diamond or could we see some new services being operated as diamond out of the Preston depot and the Blackpool depot.

I’m also wondering if we could see the your bus name disappear and being Rebranding as diamond maybe as the Dunn brothers both seem to have a hand In both companies

wazztie16 · 30 Jun 2019

drunkendentist said:
Hello everybody, occasional lurker, frequent bus traveler who comes in peace.

What's the deal with indigo and i4 buses? The engine cuts out when picking up and dropping off passengers and the driver has to (seemingly) start the ignition again?

Is this some 'feature' that I fail to see? Having the bus vibrate every couple of minutes is rather jarring.

ag51ruk said:
They are stop-start engines to save fuel and reduce emissions when stationary (i think when the parking brake is on) - many modern cars have had them for years

The engine cuts out when the parking brake is on, and doors are opened. Then restarts automatically when the doors are closed.

Imagine it cutting out at traffic lights with just the parking brake on.

Then the driver racing to get going again.

njlawley · 1 Jul 2019

It's usually when the handbrake is applied, then is taken off - so it does happen at traffic lights.

Then again, some other vehicles do it - like my car!

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