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Sold Flimsy Bog Roll Ticket at Manchester Piccadilly Ticket Office

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To add a bit of (lavatorial) humour to the discussion, can anyone comment, perhaps having been "caught short" sans papier on a train, as to the qualities of these "bog roll" tickets when used for that alternative purpose?

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"Step over here Sir, you appear to have marked your carnet in the wrong shade. The website does advise consuming Madras rather than Korma the night before"
 

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Even if you fold it, it's too wide for the wallet. And the more times you fold something, the less likelihood it will be readable.

Even traditional card tickets aren't immune to this issue, which is why we have ticket wallets in the first place.

The paper bog roll design just isn't suitable for tickets sold in advance.
I bought some tickets in advance (not advance tickets, just tickets I happened to be buying the day before I needed them) from Man Picc the other week. Issued on 'loo roll' tickets as you say which fit perfectly into my ticket wallet, I just had to use both top and bottom pockets at the same time, if that makes sense?
I really don't see what the issue is, it's a valid ticket, it works, end of as far as I'm concerned.
 

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I bought some tickets in advance (not advance tickets, just tickets I happened to be buying the day before I needed them) from Man Picc the other week. Issued on 'loo roll' tickets as you say which fit perfectly into my ticket wallet, I just had to use both top and bottom pockets at the same time, if that makes sense?
I really don't see what the issue is, it's a valid ticket, it works, end of as far as I'm concerned.

They do fit OK into the "notes" part of a wallet, to be fair, a bit like the old large-format ATB tickets did.

The main thing I find a shame about them is that they aren't used to provide additional information such as a more verbose detail of restrictions and Permitted Routes.
 
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Whilst I prefer card style tickets, the new style do fit fine in the notes section of a wallet, and I haven’t had any durability problems.

I’ve had an open return in my wallet for nearly a month and it still looks brand new.
 

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Most gatelines now have one or more barcode reader aisles (before anyone names a gateline / TOC that doesn't, please read the first word in this post). And most on train staff should have had the equipment and training to scan barcodes. If all the kit had been put in first, over several years, before any was being used, then there would be several threads on here about the waste of money it was. Besides, this change to introduce barcode / eTickets started as an experiment, and has since become very successful - and it's that success that has enabled the business case to invest in scanning and validation equipment to be made.
You mean like South West Trains did quite some years ago?
 

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Pedantic, I know, but the issue is with tickets *printed* a long time in advance.
The problem is, to do some things like book seats together for people travelling from different destinations or even needing a little more customisation in your journey route and timings, it's helpful to go to a ticket office.

I appricate on the latter point Train Split helps greatly. However it doesn't with the former.

Then of you want a good advanced price you need to book in advance.

When I booked Virgin West Coast train tickets last year, I spent 10 minutes online getting the seat reservations changed so we could sit together. As we were coming from different connecting places I couldn't do this at time of booking online. Had I gone to a station, I could have got the to do this first time.
 

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They're also issued on credit card sized tickets and really shouldn't be. Certainly nothing longer than a weekly should be.
I think the issue with season tickets is that photocards are still credit card sized. If there's a desire to issue season tickets in a format other than credit card sized (and I agree there should be) then photocards either need to change at the same time, or simply be done away with.
 

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I think the issue with season tickets is that photocards are still credit card sized. If there's a desire to issue season tickets in a format other than credit card sized (and I agree there should be) then photocards either need to change at the same time, or simply be done away with.
My Scotrail smartcard also bears my photograph. Can't see why that couldn't be the same for all smartcards.
 

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They're also issued on credit card sized tickets and really shouldn't be. Certainly nothing longer than a weekly should be.

On the contrary, a credit card sized ticket can last several months. On the odd occasions when I did need to replace my old magna stripe metro card, it was very little hastle.
 

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My Scotrail smartcard also bears my photograph. Can't see why that couldn't be the same for all smartcards.
I'd go with that; but let's require all TOCs etc. to recognize any ITSO standard smartcard first. At the moment I've got three, because none of the individual providers will load a ticket onto a card that doesn't have their brand on it :rolleyes:
On the contrary, a credit card sized ticket can last several months. On the odd occasions when I did need to replace my old magna stripe metro card, it was very little hastle.
I regularly have to replace my monthly magstripe, credit card sized, ticket at least twice a month. In fact, it rarely lasts longer than 7-10 days before the stripe stops working the ticket gates.
 

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I'd go with that; but let's require all TOCs etc. to recognize any ITSO standard smartcard first. At the moment I've got three, because none of the individual providers will load a ticket onto a card that doesn't have their brand on it :rolleyes:

I regularly have to replace my monthly magstripe, credit card sized, ticket at least twice a month. In fact, it rarely lasts longer than 7-10 days before the stripe stops working the ticket gates.

In my experience, the printed information tended to ware off before the stripe stopped working.

That aside, an ITSO card is ideal and preferable for multiple journeys. Nevertheless, it's not so good for odd journeys to different places.
 

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I didn't think you could book tickets in advance at a station and not collect them?
You can't, but where TOCs have telesales departments they should be able to sell anything that a booking office can. I suppose if you wanted to pay cash then you'd be out of luck. (You could still use RTVs though if you're booking far enough in advance).
 

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You can't, but where TOCs have telesales departments they should be able to sell anything that a booking office can. I suppose if you wanted to pay cash then you'd be out of luck. (You could still use RTVs though if you're booking far enough in advance).
How far in advance would one need to book in order to be able to use RTVs? The same time as if one was booking using telesales without RTVs?
 

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How far in advance would one need to book in order to be able to use RTVs? The same time as if one was booking using telesales without RTVs?
Add a couple of working days to send them the RTVs. It's a while since I looked into it but I think they recommended 10 working days.
 

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Add a couple of working days to send them the RTVs. It's a while since I looked into it but I think they recommended 10 working days.
So you have to physically post them? That's a lot of hassle. Far easier to go into a station, if you have a ticket office nearby.
 

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So you have to physically post them? That's a lot of hassle. Far easier to go into a station, if you have a ticket office nearby.
I agree it's easier, and that's what I ended up doing. But if you want to purchase in advance using RTVs, and also want to collect the tickets later or don't have a convenient ticket office that's the option that's available.
 

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I agree it's easier, and that's what I ended up doing. But if you want to purchase in advance using RTVs, and also want to collect the tickets later or don't have a convenient ticket office that's the option that's available.
Can I be awkward and want to collect later but pay uisnf RTVs at the station? Haha.

On a more serious note, I general prefer electronic RTVs so I'm unlikely to have paper ones. Mostly I'd be travelling along so seating issue doesn't come up but occasionally it does when wishing to book in advance and online.

I wonder how much it costs TOCs to deal with passengers over the phone who need to change their seating reservations. When they do, you end up with cards containing the original seating reservations and extra cards with the new ones.

If one could get the seats together to start with, it avoids all of this. Currently a ticket office can achieve this. I wouldn't want a piece of paper that's liable to smudge though.
 

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Well, they would be preferable to the bog roll type.



I've had no trouble reading routing and restrictions etc on them.

Barriers that don't read rovers etc are that way because they haven't been programmed properly. This means that they still won't read rovers electronically if they haven't been programmed properly (in the same way that the barriers at Wakefield Westgate don't read my plastic zone 3 metrocard because - surprise surprise, no one can be bothered to programme them properly).

The only "pain" I have in making changes to AP tickets is the £10 admin fee !
Use cross country's site to avoid this
 

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Even if you fold it, it's too wide for the wallet. And the more times you fold something, the less likelihood it will be readable.

Even traditional card tickets aren't immune to this issue, which is why we have ticket wallets in the first place.

The paper bog roll design just isn't suitable for tickets sold in advance.

They fit in mine as I fold along the top and bottom to make sure they fit and have no issue with them at all.
 

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Let's not forget that ok, the mag stripe tickets are old tech and not really smart-ticket compatible, but there is technology that exists and is in use.

Perhaps instead of taking a backwards step and moving back to a flimsy paper ticket, the train companies should have gone for the disposable NS OV-chipkaart route, with the long term goal of a reusable RFID card that works across the entire network.

I am aware that NS does charge a little extra for the disposable ones, but surely on a long distance or season, the cost could be absorbed, or charge a tiny premium for these tickets in comparison to a mobile/print at home ticket with a QR code for shorter distances, which would encourage adoption.
 
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