• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

Status
Not open for further replies.

takno

Established Member
Joined
9 Jul 2016
Messages
5,066
The view in the Netherlands is that the murder of a journalist in Londonderry can not be seen separate of Brexit. Also as it stands now the Brexit Party will be the largest party if polls are right for the European elections.
Respectfully, the situation in Northern Ireland should always be viewed in the context of the suspension of power-sharing, with the country effectively being run directly from Westminster by a gob-smackingly inept Northern Ireland secretary. The organisations that forment trouble have also always continued to exist at some level, so it's a little easier for things to kick off there than elsewhere. Whilst the murder of a journalist is shocking and tragic, it isn't something I'd automatically tie into Brexit.

The pollsters make it clear that the euros are the hardest elections to predict at the best of times, and even worse now, so a poll taken before the campaign starts and a couple of days after the high profile launch of the Brexit party doesn't necessarily tell you much. Fwiw the same survey had a 16 point lead for remain in a referendum
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Groningen

Established Member
Joined
14 Jan 2015
Messages
2,866
If there is a Brexit Party + UKIP there should also be a Remain Party. The Tories and Labour totally split. Only the very small are remain, but really keep quiet.
 

takno

Established Member
Joined
9 Jul 2016
Messages
5,066
Has that party members that are known outside the UK?
The ones you're must likely to have heard of are Chukka Ummuna and Anna Soubry. Quite likely you haven't though. Nobody else has managed to get quite the same sweetheart deal with the bbc as Nige. In a hunt for "balance" they seem to have trotted him out on virtually every show they've got going, and they largely fail to question him when he tells outright lies.
 

Groningen

Established Member
Joined
14 Jan 2015
Messages
2,866
You made a good point that most persons do not the candidates outside their own country except Nigel Farage who the whole of Europe knows.
 

greyman42

Established Member
Joined
14 Aug 2017
Messages
4,926
The ones you're must likely to have heard of are Chukka Ummuna and Anna Soubry. Quite likely you haven't though. Nobody else has managed to get quite the same sweetheart deal with the bbc as Nige. In a hunt for "balance" they seem to have trotted him out on virtually every show they've got going, and they largely fail to question him when he tells outright lies.
Nigel Farage is box office, that's why he gets the coverage.
 

berneyarms

Established Member
Joined
26 Nov 2013
Messages
2,812
Location
Dublin
Respectfully, the situation in Northern Ireland should always be viewed in the context of the suspension of power-sharing, with the country effectively being run directly from Westminster by a gob-smackingly inept Northern Ireland secretary. The organisations that forment trouble have also always continued to exist at some level, so it's a little easier for things to kick off there than elsewhere. Whilst the murder of a journalist is shocking and tragic, it isn't something I'd automatically tie into Brexit.

The pollsters make it clear that the euros are the hardest elections to predict at the best of times, and even worse now, so a poll taken before the campaign starts and a couple of days after the high profile launch of the Brexit party doesn't necessarily tell you much. Fwiw the same survey had a 16 point lead for remain in a referendum
I wouldn’t automatically link it to Brexit either, but let’s be honest the polarisation of NI politics has not been helped one iota by Brexit.

It has served to deepen differences between the parties even further, whilst at the same time causing significant concern and uncertainty for anyone whose life or work involves crossing the border.

It’s not helping the situation.
 

edwin_m

Veteran Member
Joined
21 Apr 2013
Messages
24,884
Location
Nottingham
I wouldn’t automatically link it to Brexit either, but let’s be honest the polarisation of NI politics has not been helped one iota by Brexit.

It has served to deepen differences between the parties even further, whilst at the same time causing significant concern and uncertainty for anyone whose life or work involves crossing the border.

It’s not helping the situation.
One solution for the border issue would be for Ireland to be re-united so Northern Ireland remains in the EU and the border disappears. This is of course the worst possible outcome from the Unionist point of view, but something their actions are probably making more likely. While the Tory Brexit Elite also claim to be unionist, I suspect some of them would regard the split of NI from the UK as a price worth paying to achieve their utopia. However in that situation Scotland would probably leave first, creating an even more intractable border problem.
 

Ianno87

Veteran Member
Joined
3 May 2015
Messages
15,215
You made a good point that most persons do not the candidates outside their own country except Nigel Farage who the whole of Europe knows.

Heaven help us.

Out of interest what is the 'continental' perception of him? Is he viewed as represting the typical British viewpoint, or simply a lot of showboating hot air production?
 

Struner

Member
Joined
13 Dec 2018
Messages
767
Location
Ommelanden, EU
[...] Out of interest what is the 'continental' perception of him? Is he viewed as represting the typical British viewpoint, or simply a lot of showboating hot air production?
Well, continental does exclude Ireland. & those Brexiteers don't give a f**k about Ireland. That's one difference. & both Farage & JRM - & now his sister as well, lol - are viewed as typically British, yes. & also as very stupid.
So not representative, but all same, it's only in England that you'll find people like that.
Most people in NL are fed up with the news about brexit anyway - unless they have a personal interest, like having children studying overthere, or family living there, a business connection, a university research connection ( the day after Zero quite a few people put their plans for cooperation with the UK on the back burner).
& I do think that people here who are interested at all are very much aware of the Irish dimension.
That's a difference indeed.
 

Howardh

Established Member
Joined
17 May 2011
Messages
8,155
One solution for the border issue would be for Ireland to be re-united so Northern Ireland remains in the EU and the border disappears. This is of course the worst possible outcome from the Unionist point of view, but something their actions are probably making more likely. While the Tory Brexit Elite also claim to be unionist, I suspect some of them would regard the split of NI from the UK as a price worth paying to achieve their utopia. However in that situation Scotland would probably leave first, creating an even more intractable border problem.
Wouldn't unionists be more likely to vote for Brexit, and then find that their winning vote means they end up in a different country and still in the EU when, if they'd voted to remain, they would at least still be in the UK?
 

AlterEgo

Veteran Member
Joined
30 Dec 2008
Messages
20,171
Location
No longer here
The view in the Netherlands is that the murder of a journalist in Londonderry can not be seen separate of Brexit. Also as it stands now the Brexit Party will be the largest party if polls are right for the European elections.

The continual use by supposedly liberal people of this poor woman’s death as some leverage for their own political beliefs is disgusting and beneath contempt. Note that very few people in Ireland or Northern Ireland have dared do this, and it’s the British liberal chattering class which have been engaging with this on social media over the past days.

Firstly, the simple principle of hopping on some sort of pro-EU, Remain bandwagon as soon as the news broke is in itself appalling.

Secondly, cynical leveraging of shooting deaths for political grandstanding is something which civilised people rightly condemned for decades when the Troubles were ongoing.

Thirdly, the assessment is grossly wide or the mark. Dissident republicans have very old principles and Brexit features very, very low on their radar.

It is not okay to say that a woman shot dead by a teenager in Derry was because of Brexit. It was not. People who believe so need to read the news about dissident republicans some time, please (or maybe even try speaking to people who live on Creggan?). Shooting at police wagons isn’t something that started after the referendum.
 

Giugiaro

Member
Joined
4 Nov 2011
Messages
1,129
Location
Valongo - Portugal
Out of interest what is the 'continental' perception of him? Is he viewed as represting the typical British viewpoint, or simply a lot of showboating hot air production?

Up until Brexit, Farage was seen as the "leader" of the Eurosceptic faction of the EU Parliament.
Since Portugal doesn't have a definitive Eurosceptic party that doesn't become part of either the EPP, S&D or the Communists, Farage has been seen as the man that speaks for those who believe the EU is a total mistake and an embarrassment to the patriotic cause, specially those who align to the "Estado Novo" principles.

After Brexit most see him as a total clown, an absolute impostor and a insult to the British role model, given that he chickened out after his "independence day" speech and almost completely disappeared (until recently) from the public spotlight. People here actually expected him to become prime minister, leave his position as MEP and steer the country to leave completely the EU without a deal (that was what we expected would happen if Brexit won the referendum).

The ultraconservative patriots are still around, but they have given up in believing in such public figures.
 

JonasB

Member
Joined
27 Dec 2016
Messages
938
Location
Sweden
Heaven help us.

Out of interest what is the 'continental' perception of him? Is he viewed as represting the typical British viewpoint, or simply a lot of showboating hot air production?

He's seen mostly as a clown and we are all wondering why people are voting for him, especially as he's not to keen on actually doing anything as an MEP. Except for collecting €8000 of tax payer's money every month and insulting "the liberal elite" in the chamber.

But then we note that the british MEPs (mostly UKIP) are usually the only MEPs that are unable to behave like adults in the chamber, and that Boris Johnson and Chris Grayling and others also get votes. So maybe he represents something typical British?
 

Geezertronic

Established Member
Joined
14 Apr 2009
Messages
4,091
Location
Birmingham
Does anyone have a link to a site where I can look up who is standing in the European Elections please? I had my voting card through today and would like to at least know who is standing in my area before I cast a vote
 

krus_aragon

Established Member
Joined
10 Jun 2009
Messages
6,045
Location
North Wales
Does anyone have a link to a site where I can look up who is standing in the European Elections please? I had my voting card through today and would like to at least know who is standing in my area before I cast a vote
I was wondering the same thing this morning. It seems nominations didn't close until this afternoon, so we're both a bit too eager.

The lists should be announced in the next few days.
 

404250

Member
Joined
25 May 2018
Messages
367
Thanks. The name Jo threw me there as thought the male version was spelt Joe. Anyway, they'll both be better known as Boris Johnson's brother or sister.
 

AM9

Veteran Member
Joined
13 May 2014
Messages
14,246
Location
St Albans
Thanks. The name Jo threw me there as thought the male version was spelt Joe. Anyway, they'll both be better known as Boris Johnson's brother or sister.
It's an irony that the leavers messiah, Boris, has a remainer brother, a (now) remainer sister an a dad who thinks that leaving is insane. I wonder where Boris got the idea that leaving was the right thing for the UK to do. Maybe he thought that there might be something in it for him.
 

radamfi

Established Member
Joined
29 Oct 2009
Messages
9,267
Seriously, given that Boris was dithering about which side to support, it is quite bizarre to support one side so strongly immediately afterwards.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top