frodshamfella
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I don't think there is any new additional parking in Frodsham you will just have to pay in future on top of your rail fare.
I don't think there is any new additional parking in Frodsham you will just have to pay in future on top of your rail fare.
I think the new tarmacked area by the old goods shed is probably considered as new additional parking, along with the similar smaller version at Helsby. Both filled almost immediately with Manchester/Chester commuters. Cheshire West and Chester is indeed advocating charging for car parking but i know that both town/parish councils strongly oppose the idea as this will only lead to rail users parking outside peoples houses. At this current moment in time with only 4 weeks until the start of services there is no additional parking to allow for the increased business that the Liverpool service will generate and id say that's extremely poor. Abled bodied passengers from Helsby and Frodsham may be able to walk to the stations but those from outlying areas such as Alvanley, Kelsall, Kingsley etc have no alternative.
What stock is going to be on the Chester - Liverpool Lime Street? 175s?
150s surely. 175s would be wasted on such a route.
Just been having a look and 175s have been spotted at Lime Street on the training runs
Just been having a look and 175s have been spotted at Lime Street on the training runs
There are two solutions to that problem, both of which you have identified. Only 1 of them involves tarmacing over even more of the countryside, yet this is the one people focus on.That's me, I live outside the town so have to drive and there is no bus. It is rather poor that the powers that be haven't added new parking, this new service has been known about for long enough.
The obvious solution is a residents parking zone then, not spending money building more parking (and missing out on income from parking charges) which could be spent on better thingsCheshire West and Chester is indeed advocating charging for car parking but i know that both town/parish councils strongly oppose the idea as this will only lead to rail users parking outside peoples houses.
The obvious solution is a residents parking zone then, not spending money building more parking (and missing out on income from parking charges) which could be spent on better things
At Virgin Trains prices!If they’re going to drive to Frodsham, is is not feasible to go a bit further to Runcorn. Plenty of room there
At Virgin Trains prices!
At Virgin Trains prices!
You can park on the street too. Depending on time of day.
Yeah £12 per day.
But if they made the car park cheap at Runcorn it would fill up with people travelling to Euston and there wouldn't be any space for people making local journeys anyway!When they used to have an off peak price after 10am i used to use Runcorn a lot going into Liverpool. But at £12 a day no matter what its cheaper to drive over the new bridge and park at a relatives in East Liverpool. That's Virgin Trains for you. Don't give a toss about Liverpool traffic cos the focus is all on travelling to Euston and no matter how rose tinted people and the media are about them November cant come soon enough.
When they used to have an off peak price after 10am i used to use Runcorn a lot going into Liverpool. But at £12 a day no matter what its cheaper to drive over the new bridge and park at a relatives in East Liverpool. That's Virgin Trains for you. Don't give a toss about Liverpool traffic cos the focus is all on travelling to Euston and no matter how rose tinted people and the media are about them November cant come soon enough.
Halton Curve: the countdown for Liverpool services begins
Transport for Wales is gearing up for the start of new hourly services linking north Wales and Cheshire to Liverpool which will begin next month.
From 19th May, Transport for Wales will begin its new services along the route in what has been described as a "major economic boost" for the region.
A total of 215 new services per week have been created.
Services will be hourly from Chester, calling at Helsby, Frodsham, Runcorn, Liverpool South Parkway (for John Lennon Airport) and Liverpool Lime Street.
There will also be two direct services per day from Wrexham General and one direct from Liverpool to Wrexham.
Prices are now in retail systems with selected fares as follows:
James Price, Chief Executive of Transport for Wales, said:
- Wrexham General to Liverpool Lime Street Anytime Day Return £11.50
- Chester and Helsby to Liverpool Lime Street Anytime Day Return £7.50
- Frodsham to Liverpool Lime Street Anytime Day Return £7
"Transport for Wales is investing £5 billion to transform the transport sector throughout the Wales and Borders network and we're incredibly excited to see the introduction of the new services linking north Wales and Cheshire with Liverpool.
"It will be a major economic boost for the area and the fact Transport for Wales are delivering 215 brand new services a week, really underpins our commitment to building a better transport network for all.
"This project saw an immense amount of hard work, dedication and investment by so many individuals and agencies and shows just what can be achieved by collaborative working.
“We are approaching our first six months at Transport for Wales and this is another important milestone as we continue to deliver our vision."
The new services are being introduced along the 1.5 mile long Halton Curve as part of Network Rail's Great North Rail Project involving extensive upgrades to track and signalling meaning that the line was able to operate a new hourly service, in both directions, between Liverpool and Chester/Wrexham.
The project follows decades of hard work by local campaigners and significant work and investment by DfT, Welsh Government, Liverpool City Region, Merseytravel and Network Rail.
Services on the line all but stopped in May 1975, although the route was kept open with an occasional summer only parliamentary service from Chester to Runcorn.
Steve Rotheram, Liverpool City Region Combined Authority Metro Mayor, said: "One of the Combined Authority's key aims is priorities is to deliver major improvements in connectivity for our area.
“The Halton Curve is one of many ambitious rail schemes across the Liverpool City Region that have been delivered by the Combined Authority, working together in partnership with a number of organisations.
“Thanks to this, there are now more frequent trains between Liverpool and Chester and the first direct services between the city and Wrexham since 1975.
“With future plans to expand further into North Wales and an aspiration for direct Liverpool to Cardiff services, this is just the start of us realising the potential benefits that re-opening the Halton Curve will bring.”
Marcus Barnes, senior sponsor at Network Rail, said: “The Halton Curve is a relatively small stretch of track in Frodsham, but it unlocks a wealth of leisure and business opportunities for the Liverpool City Region, its airport, Cheshire and North Wales.
“Our track and signalling upgrades, to allow trains to run in both directions on the line, were completed in May last year. It’s incredibly exciting that the Halton Curve will soon reach its full potential with new services between Liverpool and Chester, with some services on to Wrexham.
“This is another great example of the Great North Rail Project in action.”
Marina Farey from the North Cheshire Community Rail Partnership said: “Services commencement via Halton Curve is a significant event for our area. It will open up opportunities for our local communities and contribute to social and economic development in Cheshire and Merseyside.”
If they’re going to drive to Frodsham, is is not feasible to go a bit further to Runcorn. Plenty of room there
If they’re going to drive to Frodsham, is is not feasible to go a bit further to Runcorn. Plenty of room there
And what do you think their successor will do to car park prices?
How do you think the multi-storey car park was funded?
Even Chester charges £6.50 a day (Arriva/TfW).
Ps. Chester car park isn't Arriva or now TFW. Its NCP.
Birkenhead Central-Shrewsbury Off Peak Return Any Permitted (8A, same as the Liverpool ticket and also set by TfW) is £27.70.
It appears to be valid via Lime St*.
Theoretically, Break of Journey is not permitted.
*For this fare, TfW offers services via Hooton and Chester, or Lime St and Crewe.
However, after the timetable change it doesn't offer a service on the new route via Frodsham ("no tickets are available").
It's hard to tell if this is just because the routeing guide has not yet been updated, or not.