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Geogregor said:
There is quite large amount of padding in the timetable. On the way west we had over 10 min wait in Reading and on the way back we were early passing through Bristol and so early in Reading that we had to wait 20 min for the departure. In fact guard suggested that there is train to Paddington departing earlier from the opposite platform.
I do understand why the padding exists but too much of it makes journey too slow and frustrating.
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Overall I found the units performing relatively well. Ride was smooth, noise level acceptable etc. I hope once the the timetable is rejigged they will speed up the services west.
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You’ve answered your own point. The IETs can run faster than the HST timings, but as regularly pointed out here, the timetable will not be changed to reflect this until Dec 2019.

But also, (having just scanned realtimetrains for Reading for Easter Sunday), numerous services were running on VAR timings anyway - a fairly common occurrence on weekends when there’s engineering work going on.
 
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swt_passenger said:
You’ve answered your own point. The IETs can run faster than the HST timings, but as regularly pointed out here, the timetable will not be changed to reflect this until Dec 2029.

But also, (having just scanned realtimetrains for Reading for Easter Sunday), numerous services were running on VAR timings anyway - a fairly common occurrence on weekends when there’s engineering work going on.
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Dec 2029 haha. That sounds about right... :lol:
 
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Just on 802113 and I notice that the top set of jumper cables are not present, is the mitigation for the ladder issue? Pretty sure 800s have jumpers all the way up the inter carriage gap.
 
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Phil G said:
Just on 802113 and I notice that the top set of jumper cables are not present, is the mitigation for the ladder issue? Pretty sure 800s have jumpers all the way up the inter carriage gap.
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The number of inter-coach cables varies along the train, I think.
 
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Are all Paddington to Oxford services IET-operated now or do some turbos still work the line?
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A small number of Turbos; predominantly IETs now.

Turbo departures from Paddington to Oxford; weekdays, with number of cars booked in brackets:-

1W16 0750 Paddington to Great Malvern & Moreton-in-Marsh (6*)
1D24 1150 Paddington to Oxford (3)
1D28 1350 Paddington to Oxford (3)
1D30 1450 Paddington to Oxford (3)
1D35 1718 Paddington to Oxford (6)
1D40 2050 Paddington to Oxford (9*)
1D43 2218 Paddington to Oxford (3)
1D44 2250 Paddington to Oxford (5)
FX 1D45 2320 Paddington to Oxford (4)
FO 1W45 2320 Paddington to Moreton-in-Marsh (3)
FO 1D48 2342 Paddington to Oxford (4)
FX 1D46 0025 Paddington to Oxford (3)
FO 1D08 0025 Paddington to Oxford (3)

* REAR 3 Coaches Locked out of use

Turbo departures from Oxford to Paddington; weekdays, with number of cars booked in brackets:-

1P03 0550 Oxford to Paddington (6)
1P21 0931 Oxford to Paddington (3)
1P23 0950 Moreton-in-Marsh (1031 Oxford) to London Paddington (3)
1P27 1059 Great Malvern (1231 Oxford) to London Paddington (3)
1P43 1932 Oxford to London Paddington (6)
1P46 2101 Oxford to London Paddington (2)

Weekends are still a bit of a mess at the moment; but roughly same mix - predominantly IET with occasional Turbo; including the odd Cotswolds working.
 
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JN114 said:
A small number of Turbos; predominantly IETs now.

Turbo departures from Paddington to Oxford; weekdays, with number of cars booked in brackets:-

1W16 0750 Paddington to Great Malvern & Moreton-in-Marsh (6*)
1D24 1150 Paddington to Oxford (3)
1D28 1350 Paddington to Oxford (3)
1D30 1450 Paddington to Oxford (3)
1D35 1718 Paddington to Oxford (6)
1D40 2050 Paddington to Oxford (9*)
1D43 2218 Paddington to Oxford (3)
1D44 2250 Paddington to Oxford (5)
FX 1D45 2320 Paddington to Oxford (4)
FO 1W45 2320 Paddington to Moreton-in-Marsh (3)
FO 1D48 2342 Paddington to Oxford (4)
FX 1D46 0025 Paddington to Oxford (3)
FO 1D08 0025 Paddington to Oxford (3)

* REAR 3 Coaches Locked out of use

Turbo departures from Oxford to Paddington; weekdays, with number of cars booked in brackets:-

1P03 0550 Oxford to Paddington (6)
1P21 0931 Oxford to Paddington (3)
1P23 0950 Moreton-in-Marsh (1031 Oxford) to London Paddington (3)
1P27 1059 Great Malvern (1231 Oxford) to London Paddington (3)
1P43 1932 Oxford to London Paddington (6)
1P46 2101 Oxford to London Paddington (2)

Weekends are still a bit of a mess at the moment; but roughly same mix - predominantly IET with occasional Turbo; including the odd Cotswolds working.
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Ok thanks for this
 
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Bletchleyite said:
That seems imbalanced in terms of the number of coaches going each way. Are there a load of ECSs, a Turbo scrapyard at Oxford or do they go somewhere else?
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1D44 onward all outstable at Oxford
1D40 and 1D43 both go ECS back to Reading
1D30 goes on to work Didcot/Oxford/Banbury shuttles.
 
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swt_passenger said:
You’ve answered your own point. The IETs can run faster than the HST timings, but as regularly pointed out here, the timetable will not be changed to reflect this until Dec 2019.
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Having had sight of the draft December 2019 timetables there are indeed modest journey time improvements over current HST timings.

London - Bristol Temple Meads (via Bath Spa) in 90 minutes. Best currently is 98 minutes. New services, with one intermediate call at Bristol Parkway, get to Bristol TM in 79 minutes.

London - Cardiff Central in 109-120 minutes (a couple of peak services in 103 minutes). Best currently is 122 minutes.

London - Cheltenham Spa in 116 minutes. Best currently is 126 minutes.

London to Plymouth also sees quicker journeys throughout the day, although the headline current 180 minute journey time (1203 off Paddington) is not matched in the draft December timetable. That service will gain a call at Taunton from December for a journey time of 183 minutes.

All the above is based on draft timetable proposals, which are still to be finalised.
 
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None of which is exactly news, since those timings mostly match the ones given by GWR in 2015 in presentations at a series of stakeholder briefings and at user group events, such as this one for Travelwatch South West in October that year.

Slide 9 gives headline and typical journey times planned for most of the key routes for what was then meant to be the December 2018 timetable change. Slide 13 has projected average journey times for services to the South West, and fastest times for Exeter and Plymouth.

http://travelwatchsouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Travelwatch-Presentation-October-2015.pdf
 
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Indeed, little has changed from early intentions. Save for the start date slipping.

You may not regard it as news Jimm, but I was merely posting the information in reply to recent posts about the upcoming December 2019 changes. Better that surely than folk trying to find historical posts which may or may not have included the proposals first mooted in 2015.

With the timetable planners at Network Rail having produced the first draft for December 2019 on 5th February this year we are getting closer to the actuality rather than the 4 year old proposals. Seeing actual draft timetables (from which I gathered the information for my preceding post), rather than an old presentation of proposed timings, is, for me at least, much more useful.
 
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A few questions which may have been mentioned up thread, but if so the answers elude me!

Has the EMU 60 restriction at Steventon been raised to 115mph yet?

Are IETs allowed to use HST differentials? They are not mentioned under any differential headings in the Sectional Appendix.

I presume IETs are only subject to EMU differential restrictions in Electric-mode? So the restriction in permissible speed at Steventon only applies to an IET in Electric-mode.
 
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Has the EMU 60 restriction at Steventon been raised to 115mph yet?
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No, and I wasn’t aware of any plans to unless the bridge is demolished/raised; and if it were they’d just abolish the differential.

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Are IETs allowed to use HST differentials? They are not mentioned under any differential headings in the Sectional Appendix.
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Yes they are; Sectionals appendix often lags behind on these more general instructions.

hexagon789 said:
I presume IETs are only subject to EMU differential restrictions in Electric-mode? So the restriction in permissible speed at Steventon only applies to an IET in Electric-mode.
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Technically correct - the EMU speed only applies to IETs on Electric BUT there are “goalkeeper” balises that will drop the pan on the approach to the bridge regardless of speed - IETs must run on Diesel between Didcot and Wantage Road.
 
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bnm said:
Indeed, little has changed from early intentions. Save for the start date slipping.

You may not regard it as news Jimm, but I was merely posting the information in reply to recent posts about the upcoming December 2019 changes. Better that surely than folk trying to find historical posts which may or may not have included the proposals first mooted in 2015.

With the timetable planners at Network Rail having produced the first draft for December 2019 on 5th February this year we are getting closer to the actuality rather than the 4 year old proposals. Seeing actual draft timetables (from which I gathered the information for my preceding post), rather than an old presentation of proposed timings, is, for me at least, much more useful.
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It isn't news and I have posted the link to that presentation several times (and probably more than several, come to think of it) in threads on this forum in the past four years - often in response to people asking about journey times or frequencies.

Just searching for 'GWR timetable' on the forum and ticking 'Relevance' brings up a series of previous threads and mentions of the subject.

Even if someone doesn't know about that presentation, a Google search for 'GWR IEP timetable planned journey times' also brings up the brochure linked to below, all of seven places down the search results, which also contains information about average and fastest journey times to a number of other destinations, such as Newport and Worcester.

https://www.rctcbc.gov.uk/EN/Reside...lateddocuments/FGWFranchiseUpdateBrochure.pdf

The actuality of the journey times is that they match what was stated publicly four years ago and that information has been available online since than and can be found without a great deal of effort by anyone who is interested.

PS: I might also have noted that the contents of the draft December timetables are supposed to be confidential at the moment, whether people are within the industry or are among the stakeholder and user groups who have had sight of them - ie, please don't discuss the contents in public.
 
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jimm said:
It isn't news and I have posted the link to that presentation several times (and probably more than several, come to think of it) in threads on this forum in the past four years - often in response to people asking about journey times or frequencies.

Just searching for 'GWR timetable' on the forum and ticking 'Relevance' brings up a series of previous threads and mentions of the subject.

Even if someone doesn't know about that presentation, a Google search for 'GWR IEP timetable planned journey times' also brings up the brochure linked to below, all of seven places down the search results, which also contains information about average and fastest journey times to a number of other destinations, such as Newport and Worcester.

https://www.rctcbc.gov.uk/EN/Reside...lateddocuments/FGWFranchiseUpdateBrochure.pdf

The actuality of the journey times is that they match what was stated publicly four years ago and that information has been available online since than and can be found without a great deal of effort by anyone who is interested.

PS: I might also have noted that the contents of the draft December timetables are supposed to be confidential at the moment, whether people are within the industry or are among the stakeholder and user groups who have had sight of them - ie, please don't discuss the contents in public.
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Wow. I for one found the journey times post quite interesting and it was useful for those who didn't follow this in 2015. If the times haven't changed since 2015 why are you complaining about people posting confidential info about draft December timetables!?
 
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bnm said:
Having had sight of the draft December 2019 timetables there are indeed modest journey time improvements over current HST timings.

London - Bristol Temple Meads (via Bath Spa) in 90 minutes. Best currently is 98 minutes. New services, with one intermediate call at Bristol Parkway, get to Bristol TM in 79 minutes.

London - Cardiff Central in 109-120 minutes (a couple of peak services in 103 minutes). Best currently is 122 minutes.

London - Cheltenham Spa in 116 minutes. Best currently is 126 minutes.

London to Plymouth also sees quicker journeys throughout the day, although the headline current 180 minute journey time (1203 off Paddington) is not matched in the draft December timetable. That service will gain a call at Taunton from December for a journey time of 183 minutes.

All the above is based on draft timetable proposals, which are still to be finalised.
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Any idea about the berks and hants services, Westbury for example, has 78 minute trains from London and 76 too London?
 
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JN114 said:
No, and I wasn’t aware of any plans to unless the bridge is demolished/raised; and if it were they’d just abolish the differential.
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I was told by someone it was to be raised to 115 for electric traction from September.

JN114 said:
Yes they are; Sectionals appendix often lags behind on these more general instructions.
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Thank you, it was because they were mentioned in other bits of the SA but not the differentials page that I wondered.

JN114 said:
Technically correct - the EMU speed only applies to IETs on Electric BUT there are “goalkeeper” balises that will drop the pan on the approach to the bridge regardless of speed - IETs must run on Diesel between Didcot and Wantage Road.
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So the IETs don't run pan-up under the bridge at Steventon?
 
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I've had a look for this information on the GWR site but as they were diverted in March and that wasn't flagged up on the diversions page, does anyone have any idea when the next diversions from Cardiff to Bridgend via Barry town are likely to be taking place is thanks
 
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Thanks for the comments finding my information interesting and useful.

jimm said:
I might also have noted that the contents of the draft December timetables are supposed to be confidential at the moment, whether people are within the industry or are among the stakeholder and user groups who have had sight of them - ie, please don't discuss the contents in public.
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As for confidentiality, I'm not party to any such agreements with GWR or Network Rail. If anyone wants to see the draft December timetables then do please PM me. Whether I do or do not discuss the contents in public is my decision alone. Please don't tell me what I can or cannot discuss.
 
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