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Trivia: Diesel Stock that Never sees Electric Supplies?

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Bletchleyite said:
The electrification sticker on the destination display looks rubbish. Couldn't it have gone on the yellow bit?
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Following on from this (and me thinking perhaps the sticker and orange cant line doesn't need to exist), are there any diesel stock that wouldn't ever see electric wires?

The only thought would be somewhere in Wales (at the moment!). But I can't think of any other diesel ran service that doesn't come under wires or over 3rd/4th rail at some point during it's journey or the stock won't ever see electric supplies.

Maybe Nottingham to Derby?
Although that stock will run under wires at some point.
 
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Quite alot of the GWR DMU fleet Exeter and Westwards (Cornwall etc) will never come near wires (possibly until Bristol/Cardiff wiring is done).
 
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SWR class 158s and 159s wouldn't go anywhere near wires unless Basingstoke to Southampton 25kv conversion ever happens.

Actually, although not diesel the SWR class 455s have the orange stipe and 25kv warning stickers despite never operating under any wires. The class 450s and 444s don't have this.
 
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lewisf said:
SWR class 158s and 159s wouldn't go anywhere near wires unless Basingstoke to Southampton 25kv conversion ever happens.

Actually, although not diesel the SWR class 455s have the orange stipe and 25kv warning stickers despite never operating under any wires. The class 450s and 444s don't have this.
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Apart from the ones that get to Reading or hired to GWR...
 
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lewisf said:
SWR class 158s and 159s wouldn't go anywhere near wires unless Basingstoke to Southampton 25kv conversion ever happens.

Actually, although not diesel the SWR class 455s have the orange stipe and 25kv warning stickers despite never operating under any wires. The class 450s and 444s don't have this.
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IIRC SWT 158/9 already had the warning signs and stripes from way back because they travelled under the wires to their normal major overhaul locations.

If they hadn’t already been provided they’d have been required for the diversions into Reading during the 2017 Waterloo blockade, and will be needed routinely for the Sunday only service into Reading from next month.
 
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whhistle said:
Following on from this (and me thinking perhaps the sticker and orange cant line doesn't need to exist), are there any diesel stock that wouldn't ever see electric wires?
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In theory, the Inverness based 158s for the FNL/Kyle lines. As far as I know the RETB-equipped units don't head south.
 
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swt_passenger said:
IIRC SWT 158/9 already had the warning signs and stripes from way back because they travelled under the wires to their normal major overhaul locations.

If they hadn’t already been provided they’d have been required for the diversions into Reading during the 2017 Waterloo blockade, and will be needed routinely for the Sunday only service into Reading from next month.
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Perhaps someone can explain, then, how Classes 450 and 458 - neither of which have the cantrail stripe - can operate into Reading platform 6, given the presence of OHLE next to them on platform 7? The 458s went to/from Wabtec for overhaul as well.
 
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I've had Inverness-based 158s on the Falkirk G to Glasgow QS via Cumbernauld before. They get out and about all over the place.
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Was it one of the RETB-equipped units though? I thought (glad to be proved wrong) that some Inverness units had RETB and some didn't - the former ones worked services south and the latter worked services north.
 
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najaB said:
Was it one of the RETB-equipped units though? I thought (glad to be proved wrong) that some Inverness units had RETB and some didn't - the former ones worked services south and the latter worked services north.
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Sadly, I only know what units are based where.

I thought that all Inverness units were RETB-equipped. 1 diagram per day (Mon to Sat) starts on North services before switching to Southern ones (and 1 does the opposite). That makes me think all have RETB capabilities.
 
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I thought that all Inverness units were RETB-equipped. 1 diagram per day (Mon to Sat) starts on North services before switching to Southern ones (and 1 does the opposite). That makes me think all have RETB capabilities.
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That could be. Actually, I just took a look at scot-rail.co.uk and it says:
From May 2000 Class 158s replaced 156s north of Inverness. The 158s have CDUs removed when working on other routes.
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So I guess the permanent installation isn't as permanent as I thought it was. Makes sense then that any Inverness unit can work south.
 
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Perhaps someone can explain, then, how Classes 450 and 458 - neither of which have the cantrail stripe - can operate into Reading platform 6, given the presence of OHLE next to them on platform 7? The 458s went to/from Wabtec for overhaul as well.
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The platform lines are sufficiently far apart that the OHLE is not a hazard to a train in P6. A DC train cannot be misrouted into the AC area (and vice versa)...
 
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Ted Fuller said:
What about Translink NI Railways Class 3000 and 4000s?
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Excepting the use of C3Ks to deputise for De-Dietrich sets on the Enterprise, when they would run under 1.5kV. The 4000s wouldn't/haven't worked under OLE that I know of though.

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Do they ever deputise on the Enterprise? Do they have the right kit to do so?
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The 3000s can and do. The 4000s are not equipped/passed to do so.

Adding to the Irish theme, the old Irish loco-hauled stock had overhead warning labels, but anything working out of Hueston would never see OLE.

Indeed the non-push pull Mk3s I don't think ever worked out of Connolly except on specials. As for the Mk4s, I don't know they've ever ventured over that way.
 
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61653 HTAFC said:
The thread title doesn't specify voltage, or even collection system.
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The title doesn't, but if you read the post just below the title:
But I can't think of any other diesel ran service that doesn't come under wires or over 3rd/4th rail at some point during it's journey or the stock won't ever see electric supplies.
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najaB said:
I guess the permanent installation isn't as permanent as I thought it was. Makes sense then that any Inverness unit can work south.
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You just unplug the CDR and remove it from the bracket. Refitting is the reverse of removal.
 
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61653 HTAFC said:
The thread title doesn't specify voltage, or even collection system.
Still no mention of voltage, nor of AC or DC.
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Why does that matter?

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The post also fails to mention track guage, but we all assume that we are talking standard guage nonetheless!
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Not sure why people obsess with limits on posts, like track gauge or what method of electric collection?

Thread title says "electric supplies", which if someone is being pedantic could be twisted to somehow mean DEMUs but I didn't fancy specifically stating overhead wires or 3rd/4th rail as that risks someone coming along and suggesting another power supply. Hence leaving it completely open to any electric supplies.

Adding "wires" and 3rd/4th rail to the post gives an example three collection methods I can think of. It's not limiting (and thus stopping posts like "what about 1.21 gigawatts?").

As this is primarily a UK forum, I wouldn't really be interested in examples from the railways of the deepest parts of Africa. I don't think anyone else would either.
 
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