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Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

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It's actually a pig to get out of from a drivers perspective as the ladder is tucked under the body
 
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Aivilo said:
It's actually a pig to get out of from a drivers perspective as the ladder is tucked under the body
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Does look quite a tricky climb down from cab to track level on the Class 195, as you say the steps are tucked away and the initial step is quite high compared to a Class 221.
Both about the same to platform level.

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The set up is more akin to the 220 which has a body mounted ladder and as such is more awkward for access/egress than the bogie mounted 221.
 
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The set up is more akin to the 220 which has a body mounted ladder and as such is more awkward for access/egress than the bogie mounted 221.
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Never even thought about Class 220 with body mounted steps. Spot on! Never get on and off them, cab wise. :rolleyes:

So yep more akin the 195.

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Is everything good now between unions ASLEF/RMT and Arriva over these units and has a proper training package been worked out now for Drivers and Guards?
 
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Training has resumed
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Good training has resumed, testing has resumed so come on Northern let's get some 195s into service where needed and lets get rid of some of the crap (142s for starters) that Northern passengers have had to put up with for years longer than they should have.
Really frustrating that nobody seems that bothered how long these things are taking to be introduced.
 
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Good training has resumed, testing has resumed so come on Northern let's get some 195s into service where needed and lets get rid of some of the crap (142s for starters) that Northern passengers have had to put up with for years longer than they should have.
Really frustrating that nobody seems that bothered how long these things are taking to be introduced.
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As has been pointed out several times, by several people, they cannot enter service until the internal coupler defect has been rectified. Lots of people are very bothered indeed - not least Northern - but making them safe for passenger use, not to mention training enough crews to operate the things, takes however long it takes.
 
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Yes we know about the vehicle fixed coupler defects and these should be getting rectified on later build sets then retrofitting to the earlier builds which are again being used for training. When the later modified units arrive get them into service first then modify the others. Should be enough train crews trained up by then to get some into service where they are needed.
 
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Source?
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Take a quick look through their profile page, and it's a reasonable conclusion that the poster is a driver who's clued-up with what happens in the industry. The answer to the rest of your query is probably commercially sensitive.
 
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Take a quick look through their profile page, and it's a reasonable conclusion that the poster is a driver who's clued-up with what happens in the industry. The answer to the rest of your query is probably commercially sensitive.
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I congratulate you on not giving a sarcastic or equally rude reply back to the poster. I wouldn’t give them any response for asking like that.
 
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driver_m said:
I congratulate you on not giving a sarcastic or equally rude reply back to the poster. I wouldn’t give them any response for asking like that.
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I digress. Some people are just straight talking and don't employ much in the way of rhetoric.
 
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Internal. Similar to the stack issues on the 769 the coaches need to be slightly further apart. Probably doesn't take a genius to work out what has been put on place
 
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Aivilo said:
Internal. Similar to the stack issues on the 769 the coaches need to be slightly further apart. Probably doesn't take a genius to work out what has been put on place
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I did think they looked very close together, very much like square-ended UIC stock. But then Pendolinos are the same. Is it the actual coach ends that are fouling? I thought it was coupler bar against body because the slot it moves in isn't quite wide enough.
 
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I did think they looked very close together, very much like square-ended UIC stock. But then Pendolinos are the same. Is it the actual coach ends that are fouling? I thought it was coupler bar against body because the slot it moves in isn't quite wide enough.
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I'm speaking with no insider knowledge, but if the coupler bar were too short, that could mean that the coach ends were fouling against each other on tight curves. A longer coupler (along with the flexibility of the corridor connection) could overcome that, if it were the case.
 
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I'm speaking with no insider knowledge, but if the coupler bar were too short, that could mean that the coach ends were fouling against each other on tight curves. A longer coupler (along with the flexibility of the corridor connection) could overcome that, if it were the case.
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From what we've managed to gather, the gap on the mounting brackets is too small, not the bar.
 
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For what it's worth, I understand that the December 2019 Calder Valley timetable is based on 195s working the Leeds - Man Vic and Leeds - Man Vic - Chester services plus the York - Blackpool, though not the LDS - Dewsbury - Calder - MCV - Wigan nor those not serving the Upper Valley. And it seems that the sectional running times take account not only of the LSIs that have been delivered west of Bradford but also of the improved performance of the 195s (so there are JT improvements between Leeds and BDI)...

So we had better keep our fingers crossed that enough are serviceable by then, or there will be, ahem, "challenges"!
 
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Rumour is September for these to be out in passenger service. Will try to confirm soon
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I have heard from Monday 1st July it is hoped to have a 195 in passenger service on at least 1 Barrow to Manchester Airport diagram. Likely 06.47 from Barrow. Whether or not this will happen or if this is the 1st 195 in passenger service remains to be seen.
 
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