SWR new services

• West of England
• Portsmouth Mainline and Island Line
• Suburban Routes
• Reading and Windsor Lines
• Southampton Mainline and Island Line

HamworthyGoods said:

Real Time Trains shows the following additional in the Guildford aside from the revised Farnham services.

05.12 PMH-WAT
07.00 WAT-PMH
06.40 HAV-WAT
17.09 WAT-GLD (via EPS was EFF terminator)
17.18 WAT-HSL
18.28 GLD-WAT (via EPS was EFF starter)
18.38 HSL-WAT
20.09 WAT-GLD (via EPS)
20.28 GLD-WAT (via EPS)
20.40 HSL-WAT
21.15 PMH-WAT
21.40 HSL-GLD
23.00 WAT-PMH
23.15 GLD-WOK
23.30 WAT-PMH

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swt_passenger said:

For info, if anyone hasn’t spotted them yet, following pompeyfan’s link in post #144 and scrolling down takes you to five separate detailed reports about the changes to the various service groups:

• West of England
• Portsmouth Mainline and Island Line
• Suburban Routes
• Reading and Windsor Lines
• Southampton Mainline and Island Line

There’s too much information there to quote from each report.

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infobleep said:

Some interesting things.

The poster for suburban services, says the additional Guildford to Woking service starts 23:15 but the journey planner says 23:17.

The 18:02 Waterloo to Woking is now extended to Farnham. That is welcomed but surprising news. When the draft timetables were published, after the consultation, it was still shown as terminating at Woking.

This train often delays the Basingstoke train into Woking, which in turn, if the Basingstoke train isn't held so it can be overtaken, also delays the train to Portsmouth.

They are also doing the same to the 19:02.

There is an additional 23:00 Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour Unusually for an on the hour train, it is stopping at Clapham Junction

The additional 23:30 doesn't do this however.

On Sundays there are three additional services each way, between Waterloo and Portsmouth These travel via Cobham.

So there will be fast services via cobham on every day of the week except Saturday.

There will still be 2 trains a day that's skip Godalming. The 6:15 Portsmouth to Waterloo and 17':15 Waterloo to Portsmouth

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infobleep said:

If you class the additional services such as Guildford to Waterloo then surely one has to state the Effingham Junction to Waterloo service was removed.

What's actually happened is that an existing service has been extended.

If one is included extended services in the stats then it would be good the count those which have been extended, those which are running at a different time but replace a other services no longer running and those that are totally new and replacing nothing.

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pompeyfan said:

I’m pleasantly surprised that both those services skip Godalming, although I fear a few passengers will fall foul of this as the information specifically says all services will call there.

The 1715 down service is an odd one. An extra service running via Cobham, calling at Guildford and Haslemere before calling at all stations down to Southsea. Oddly as well it departs from 17 at Waterloo, it was unusual for Mainline services to depart from platforms that high up.

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theironroad said:

I always understood that the full opening of the former international was going to lead to a shift over in a similar way to the August blockade as basically all the Windsor side services could be moved from 15-19 into the international

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HamworthyGoods said:

The SWR press release quotes There will be substantial changes to our next timetable starting in May, which will bring over 300 additional train services a week for our customers.

300 additional services each week equates to around about 50 extra a day (assuming as you don’t have the peaks the figures on SO and SuO would be about 25 each); the previous list was not about showing whether this was 49, 50 or 51 a day to prove the figure but trying to show what had changed at Guildford in this timetable as this was where you were asking after not trying to prove the semantics.

I’m not going to list out each change or where a service has part replaced another, you can use the excellent timetable comparison tool for this.

https://live-departures.info/rail/timetable-comparison/

However using the same tool here is a list of pure extra trains not changes / extensions / diversions / splits to existing services such as where Ascot to Aldershot currently hourly in the evening becomes half-hourly, extra peak and evening services etc. If used the tool to pick certain key stations do wouldn’t be surprised if I missed some, I stopped looking when I reached 300! This gives you 52 extra services each weekday, 17 each Saturday and 28 each Sunday = 305 per week.

Monday to Friday - 52 per day

05.12 PMH-WAT
05.53 RDG-WAT
06.28 SOA-WAT
06.40 HAV-WAT
06.55 YPM-SAL
07.00 WAT-PMH
07.02 WNR-WAT
07.33 ACT-RDG
07.53 RDG-WAT
08.10 HOU-WAT
08.40 HOU-WAT
10.45 YPM-SAL
12.38 YPM-YVJ
13.20 YVJ-YPM
14.32 YPM-YVJ
14.53 YVJ-SAL
17.05 WAT-RDG (existing 17.05 WAT-FNH re-timed to 16.54)
17.18 WAT-HSL
18.01 SAL-BRI
18.24 WAT-WNR
18.24 RDG-ACT
18.38 HSL-WAT
18.48 WAT-POO
19.23 RDG-ACT
19.35 BRI-WAT
19.47 SAL-WAT
19.48 WAT-POO
19.58 SAL-CLC
20.28 GLD-WAT (via EPS)
20.40 HSL-WAT
20.50 WAT-SAL
21.00 AHT-ACT
21.15 PMH-WAT
21.16 BCU-POO
21.30 YPM-YVJ
21.40 HSL-GLD
21.47 SAL-RDG
21.50 WAT-SAL
22.00 AHT-ACT
22.09 WAT-BSK
21.53 ACT-AHT
22.17 WAT-CSS
22.50 WAT-SAL
22.53 ACT-AHT
23.00 WAT-PMH
23.00 AHT-ACT
23.08 CSS-WIM
23.15 GLD-WOK
23.16 BCU-POO
23.30 WAT-PMH
23.34 FNH-GLD
23.53 ACT-AHT

Saturday 17

06.30 AHT-ACT
07.23 ACT-AHT
11.30 FRO-SAL
12.10 WEY-YVJ
14.16 YVJ-WEY
17.52 SAL-BRI
19.47 SAL-WAT
19.35 BRI-BSK
20.40 HSL-WAT
20.50 WAT-SAL
21.00 AHT-ACT
21.50 WAT-SAL
21.53 ACT-AHT
22.00 AHT-ACT
22.53 ACT-AHT
23.00 AHT-ACT
23.53 ACT-AHT

Sunday 28

07.52 SAL-RDG
08.52 SAL-RDG
09.12 RDG-SAL
09.51 YVJ-SAL
09.52 SAL-RDG
10.12 RDG-SAL
10.52 SAL-RDG
10.55 SAL-BRI
11.12 RDG-SAL
11.52 SAL-RDG
12.12 RDG-SAL
12.52 SAL-RDG
13.04 BRI-SAL
13.12 RDG-SAL
13.52 SAL-RDG
14.12 RDG-SAL
14.52 SAL-RDG
15.12 RDG-SAL
15.52 SAL-RDG
16.12 RDG-SAL
16.26 PMS-WAT
17.12 RDG-SAL
17.26 PMS-WAT
18.18 POO-WAT
18.26 PMS-WAT
18.55 WAT-PMS
19.55 WAT-PMS
20.55 WAT-PMS

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infobleep said:

Thanks for that. It shows how quickly the numbers stack up.

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infobleep said:

I thought the Guildford to Farnham services were going to be running 7 days a week from May but no, on Sundays passengers will still have to change at Aldershot and officially travelling via Woking will still show up as fataer, even though no ticket is avilable to travel via Woking, as it's not a permitted route. It's 23 minutes to Farnham, Monday to Saturday. Via a valid route on a Sunday, it shows up as 56 minutes. Via Woking, which isn't a valid route, 38 minutes. To be fair in the direction of Farnham to Guildford, it is faster via Guildford and the it's only 36 minutes, vers 23 minutes. However Woking is still only 40 minutes.

This does mean however that there are still direct services between Guildford and Camberley and stations to Ascot but only on Sundays.

I assune that in some timetable change of the future, trains will run to Farnham on Sundays from Guildford.

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swt_passenger said:

I don’t recall any published evidence for this change being introduced 7 days a week now. The track access contract does show the split service on Sundays, but only hourly rather than the Mon-Sat half hourly service.

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Justapunter said:

I am looking at a house near Farnham. I am trying to work out if the new Farnham-Guildford service will work to get my son to school (seems to be fairly slow at 23 minutes - but direct makes a huge difference to connectivity and his confidence). And also wondering if SWR is able (or willing, even if able) to accelerate the Alton branch services that simply trundle once past Woking. Is it a pathing issue (I see they tend to sit at Woking for a few minutes on the way out, and are usually late on the way in anyway (we currently use Brookwood with where we live), whatever the timetable says) or is there another good reason why the trains go so slowly on this route once off the main line at Pirbright Junction ? Given it's a branch line, would it not make more sense (in my idealistic and selfish world) to run at a higher speed at least to Farnham, then trundle over the single line to Alton/terminate some services at Farnham (because it's single line). Or am I just missing why the services are so slow?

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Justapunter said:

And to add, google also tells me the trains are no quicker than 1937. More stops maybe, but eighty years of infrastructure, signalling and traction improvements ... for same performance

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Ianno87 said:

More stops, more trains, power doors instead of slam doors (power doors take longer)

But other than that, no progress whatsoever <Eye roll emoticon>

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pompeyfan said:

Apparently there will be direct Poole - Corfe Castle service on summer Saturdays. Only the 1 planned at the moment with a few Wareham shuttles thrown in too. Still. Should do the tourism industry a world of good if the weather holds out.

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Justapunter said:

I will take exception to power doors being slower. You’d have to factor in time for shutting doors manually on older stock. Some days you’d be fine, others they’d be left open. And I can’t even see how with platform staff it can be quicker to close. Now it’s consistent. I also struggle to see why more trains takes longer. They are supposed to accelerate harder, brake better, we have electronic signalling, a much rationalised network and much more Reliable and presumably higher line speeds due to continuously welded rail and more consistency on the infrastructure (gauge etc).

And I suspect on the Alton line the intensity is little different than 80 years ago when trains ran to other places.

But fine, keep on patronising. It makes you look good.

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Justapunter said:

I will take exception to power doors being slower. You’d have to factor in time for shutting doors manually on older stock. Some days you’d be fine, others they’d be left open. And I can’t even see how with platform staff it can be quicker to close. Now it’s consistent. I also struggle to see why more trains takes longer. They are supposed to accelerate harder, brake better, we have electronic signalling, a much rationalised network and much more Reliable and presumably higher line speeds due to continuously welded rail and more consistency on the infrastructure (gauge etc).

And I suspect on the Alton line the intensity is little different than 80 years ago when trains ran to other places.

But fine, keep on patronising. It makes you look good.

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Bald Rick said:

Read the Holden report into SWR performance. It explains many of the factors that have caused the railway to get slower over the last couple of decades. Sliding door stock alone has made a significant dent, particularly with increasing passenger numbers. Similarly driving styles - no longer do drivers hit the platform ramp at 40mph and stop bang on the mark.

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DaveHarries said:

If you click this link you can get full lists of changes for SWR's individual areas as listed:
https://www.southwesternrailway.com...bles/update-on-timetable-changes-for-may-2019

Dave

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swt_passenger said:

I think most people are already aware of the new SWR Salisbury to Reading service on Sundays, until the afternoon, but I don’t think it’s been mentioned that there’s a 1L78 dep 2147 Salisbury to Reading arr 2247, on Mon-Thur evenings, that returns as an ECS. A similar schedule exists for FO, with a different platform booked at Reading.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W30420/2019/05/20/advanced
Seems odd to just run it one way in passenger service.

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swt_passenger said:

I think most people are already aware of the new SWR Salisbury to Reading service on Sundays, until the afternoon, but I don’t think it’s been mentioned that there’s a 1L78 dep 2147 Salisbury to Reading arr 2247, on Mon-Thur evenings, that returns as an ECS. A similar schedule exists for FO, with a different platform booked at Reading.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W30420/2019/05/20/advanced
Seems odd to just run it one way in passenger service.

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