Would of thought 380s would pop up o Shotts services ?
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Would of thought 380s would pop up o Shotts services ?
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hexagon789
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Don't think so; it would be another class for drivers who sign Shotts to learn and with the 385s coming in what would be the point?
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I had a look today and the following EMU classes are cleared for operation over the Benhar road - 314/318/320/325/334/350/380/385/390
My understanding is that Shotts services will use a mixture of 380 and 385 traction from May onwards.
My understanding is that Shotts services will use a mixture of 380 and 385 traction from May onwards.
hexagon789
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Interesting, thought that would be all 385s. I presume Shotts crews are passed/being trained on 380s then?
Highlandspring
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It’s worked by a mixture of Edinburgh and Glasgow Central crews who already sign 380s and now 385s
hexagon789
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Is that permanent or simply until sufficient 385s are available?
Highlandspring
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I’ve no idea.
hexagon789
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Thanks anyway.
Scotrail88
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Is the shotts line the same as the other recent transfers and be driver operated opening of doors and conductor closing?
Typhoon_93
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385040 is fitted with the yellow delivery panel at the factory this afternoon so if the l/e runs from Tees expect that to head north tonight.
Highlandspring
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Yes it is.
Not tonight, it would seem.
Can't remember the last time I saw a 156 in Fife but noticed one this evening (4 carriages). Seems like it begins Edinburgh 1911, along the coast to Kirkcaldy, does a shuffle over to the other platform via the siding, then back to Edinburgh at then onto Haymarket depot. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G88523/2019/05/03/advanced
hexagon789
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The evening 156 Fife has definitely been a feature for at least 5 years if not more. Though I believe there was a period where Fife was exclusively 158s and 170s, possibly before the re-introduction of the Dundee semi-fast.
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I heard an announcement at a Cathcart Circle line station about ‘newer trains on this route’ from the new timetable. I’m guessing this means more widespread class 385 coverage?
hexagon789
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Would imagine so with the decrease in 314 diagrams from May.
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“Newer” is slightly vague. Any of Scotland’s EMUs are newer than a 314 in reality. Newer could mean 318s/320s (they have all the modern specs that the 314s didn’t) and also 380s which I think we’ll see a lot more of around Cathcart. I think the 318s and 320s are more suited to the route than the newer length stock.
hexagon789
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I agree, 385s seem like overkill for the Cathcart suburban lines.
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I agree with the points on 385s being overkill, but it seems odd that they'd say anything about class 318/320 units being introduced in force - and they already operate two weekday diagrams and (I think) four Saturday diagrams, so passengers will already be well used to them on the route.
hexagon789
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I see a 320 almost as frequently as a 314 these days, so they are definitely 'visible' on the Cathcart lines.
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Saw a 6 car 385 on the Cathcart circle this afternoon. I guess the 385 must have selective door opening as I didn't think the Circle had consistent 6x23m platform length available?
hexagon789
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That's interesting, I've never seen a 6-car 380 on the Circle and I assumed it was because the platforms were only long enough for 6 × 20m vehicles. I've only seen 3-car 385s thus far.
if the intention was to use 385s on the vast majority of these diagrams you can be sure Scotrail PR would have been trumpeting "Brand New Trains" and "Scotland's best ever railway" at every possible opportunity. That they have been vague with "newer trains" suggests to me occasional, not blanket use, of 385s.
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It’s been mentioned before at length but I hope sometime in the near future Scotrail order more suburban style units specifically for shorter workings (ie Cathcart/Neilston/Paisley Canal). At the minute the 318s and 320s seem like the most suitable but they won’t be around forever.
agreed. If traction motor cooling is the issue then surely this could be upgraded? Another way could be a sub fleet of 3-car sets with 4 powered bogies and limit the traction current in software to, say, 75%.
Though only once seen 320 up the Neilston Branch .
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