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Northern Class 331: Construction/Introduction Updates

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There are paths for:
5Z6x series which is tonight only, calling at stations along the line between Leeds & Doncaster, return 3 times.
Then there's 5Z69 and a 5Z7x series, which run Tues-Sat between Doncaster and York, also return 3 times (if I've counted right).
Given only 1 331 has been reported at Neville Hill, it seems likely one of them will be cancelled tonight - probably the 5Z7x series based on post 363.
 

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There was a 331 moving very slowly South through Wigan NW yesterday around 17:00.
 
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Second set heading over to the East side tommorow, bound for Doncaster in order to train the crews there

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K41380/2019/04/29/advanced

Yes, supposedly three units coming over from the West to Doncaster this week - as well as tomorrow morning, there are paths for Tuesday and Wednesday morning planned in:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K41380/2019/04/30/advanced

and

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K41380/2019/05/01/advanced

Training for Instructors due to commence 1st May.

331106 planned to remain at Neville Hill for maintenance training.
 

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331 110 at Preston platform 7 this evening. First time I have seen one up close. Looking good.
 

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331105 is currently sat in Platform 1 in York.

I bet that took some ‘crud’ off the ole as you don’t see much electric traction in there. Probably the class 86 ‘ice breakers’ were the last thing.
 

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331105 is currently sat in Platform 1 in York.

I bet that took some ‘crud’ off the ole as you don’t see much electric traction in there. Probably the class 86 ‘ice breakers’ were the last thing.
322481 used Platform 1 a few weeks back when used for road Learning
 

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322481 used Platform 1 a few weeks back when used for road Learning

Last winter, 88008 had a short spell stabled in Platform 1, but it is true that it's comparatively rare to see electrics in that platform, although Platform 8 is likely to be the least used wired platform for electrics.
 

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What has been said is only the ones with the modification will be sent across to the east. How true that is I don’t know
 
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Can I just ask if the 331s will be in service in July or will it be later? (mainly asking about the ones in the Leeds area)
 

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I’d say July is a reasonable educated guess for the first one on the Leeds to Doncaster Line
 

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What has been said is only the ones with the modification will be sent across to the east. How true that is I don’t know
As I understand it the issue with the couplers is only a problem on the tightest turnouts, which is probably why it wasn't spotted sooner. Although 4-car Leeds units would mostly work Doncaster services, if they're taking over from the 321/322 duties they will have to work services including the Bradford to Skipton line which has some rather tight curves (P5 at Shipley for example) so any unmodified units would run into trouble there.
 

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As I understand it the issue with the couplers is only a problem on the tightest turnouts, which is probably why it wasn't spotted sooner. Although 4-car Leeds units would mostly work Doncaster services, if they're taking over from the 321/322 duties they will have to work services including the Bradford to Skipton line which has some rather tight curves (P5 at Shipley for example) so any unmodified units would run into trouble there.

I would imagine in the short term when the 331’s enter service on the Leeds-Doncaster route the 321/2’s will remain on the triangle diagrams as they currently do. As far as I know the Leeds/Doncaster diagrams don’t interwork at any point with the triangle diagrams but I maybe wrong.
 

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As I understand it the issue with the couplers is only a problem on the tightest turnouts, which is probably why it wasn't spotted sooner. Although 4-car Leeds units would mostly work Doncaster services, if they're taking over from the 321/322 duties they will have to work services including the Bradford to Skipton line which has some rather tight curves (P5 at Shipley for example) so any unmodified units would run into trouble there.
Presumably we will keep the 321/2s on Airedale services for a while longer.

Incidentally - can anyone advise which has more seats - a 321/2 or a 331?
 

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I would imagine in the short term when the 331’s enter service on the Leeds-Doncaster route the 321/2’s will remain on the triangle diagrams as they currently do. As far as I know the Leeds/Doncaster diagrams don’t interwork at any point with the triangle diagrams but I maybe wrong.
I don't think any diagrams include jobs on both Donny and Airedale, but there are "Dusty" workings on the triangle. As others have said, the 321/322s won't be handed back all at once so they'll stick around for a bit. AIUI they aren't needed elsewhere so there's no rush.

Presumably we will keep the 321/2s on Airedale services for a while longer.

Incidentally - can anyone advise which has more seats - a 321/2 or a 331?
At a guess the 321s probably have more seats due to 3+2 and no tables, but as the 331s are 23m vehicles there's probably not much in it.
 

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I’d say July is a reasonable educated guess for the first one on the Leeds to Doncaster Line
I guess its likely. I'm guessing this might also be the case for the 195s aswell.
Presumably we will keep the 321/2s on Airedale services for a while longer.

I don't think any diagrams include jobs on both Donny and Airedale, but there are "Dusty" workings on the triangle. As others have said, the 321/322s won't be handed back all at once so they'll stick around for a bit. AIUI they aren't needed elsewhere so there's no rush.
I guess the best thing to do is phase the 331s into service so the 32xs can work Aire/wharfedale services until the 331s actually enter service on those lines
 

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Last winter, 88008 had a short spell stabled in Platform 1, but it is true that it's comparatively rare to see electrics in that platform, although Platform 8 is likely to be the least used wired platform for electrics.


319's seem to use it a lot now in my experience
 
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