TPE Nova 1 Class 802/2 Progress

3973EXL · 29 Apr 2019

802201/202
5X82 Eastleigh Acton ML
5X83 Acton ML Doncaster

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ChrisHogan · 29 Apr 2019

3973EXL said:
802201/202
5X82 Eastleigh Acton ML
5X83 Acton ML Doncaster

Just passed West Drayton on the Up Relief. Leading unit in TPE livery, trailing unit plain white.

Class455 · 29 Apr 2019

ChrisHogan said:
Just passed West Drayton on the Up Relief. Leading unit in TPE livery, trailing unit plain white.

I would have thought 802202 which is the unit in plain white would have received TPE vinyls at Eastleigh, unless the two of them went down there for interior fitting?

59CosG95 · 29 Apr 2019

Class455 said:
I would have thought 802202 which is the unit in plain white would have received TPE vinyls at Eastleigh, unless the two of them went down there for interior fitting?

I suspect the works would have been more mechanical & electrical; LNER's Azumas have been there a lot lately for commissioning and mods, as were some of the later GWR 800s.

Chuggington21 · 4 May 2019

What's the words on these entering service/crew training

TrainTube · 4 May 2019

Any testing next week as of such?

Ih8earlies · 4 May 2019

Last internal update I saw was that Train the Trainer training was about to commence shortly for Nova 1 and Nova 2. (Training in a classroom and onboard)

No further details were given.

EE Andy b1 · 4 May 2019

Limited passenger service by October, so the rumour has it, otherwise anytime within the next 12 months!! o_O

paddyb6 · 5 May 2019

Could this be one?:

[URL]http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97133/2019/05/06/advanced[/URL]
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97132/2019/05/06/advanced

Fez14 · 6 May 2019

I’m not sure exactly how to interpret real-time trains like a pro but looks promising. Can’t think of what else something capable of 125mph would be running over the Pennines

Fez14 · 6 May 2019

Been cancelled anyway

Jonny · 6 May 2019

Fez14 said:
Been cancelled anyway

Bank holiday staff availability?

td97 · 6 May 2019

Seems to be tests all week with booked stops at intermediate stations, possibly for platform/train interface or ASDO.

06/05/2019
2109 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Stalybridge
07/05/2019
0207 Stalybridge to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
0754 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Manchester Piccadilly
1234 Manchester Piccadilly to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
2120 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Marsden
08/05/2019
0055 Marsden to Leeds
0258 Leeds to Huddersfield
0417 Huddersfield to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
0754 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Manchester Piccadilly
1234 Manchester Piccadilly to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
2155 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Manchester Airport

Fez14 · 6 May 2019

Bizarre to see that top service stopping at small stations like Mossley and Greenfield which it will never serve

Bletchleyite · 6 May 2019

Fez14 said:
Bizarre to see that top service stopping at small stations like Mossley and Greenfield which it will never serve

The work is probably being done so a train can safely be evacuated at those stations in the event of severe disruption.

JN114 · 6 May 2019

If it’s anything like the GW platform
Validation was, everywhere along line of route gets its stepping distance verified; and the SDO database is tested to make sure the train correctly identifies the station and releases an appropriate number of doors.

Fez14 · 8 May 2019

td97 said:
Seems to be tests all week with booked stops at intermediate stations, possibly for platform/train interface or ASDO.

06/05/2019
2109 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Stalybridge
07/05/2019
0207 Stalybridge to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
0754 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Manchester Piccadilly
1234 Manchester Piccadilly to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
2120 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Marsden
08/05/2019
0055 Marsden to Leeds
0258 Leeds to Huddersfield
0417 Huddersfield to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
0754 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Manchester Piccadilly
1234 Manchester Piccadilly to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
2155 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Manchester Airport

I see 0754 service out at Durham right now

notlob.divad · 8 May 2019

Fez14 said:
I see 0754 service out at Durham right now

Looks like it might have done Durham then back to Heaton as the times on RTT are going in the wrong direction.

Fez14 · 8 May 2019

No run from Heaton T&R.S.M.D. tonight as of yet. Well no updates on real time trains

palmersears · 9 May 2019

A quick question on these: will they lead to improved journey times on their intended routes?

I suspect the answer is yes, but that'll be offset by the various bottlenecks they'll have to crawl through...

supervc-10 · 9 May 2019

I suppose at least they'll be able to make up a bit of lost time on occasion?

YorkshireBear · 9 May 2019

palmersears said:
A quick question on these: will they lead to improved journey times on their intended routes?

I suspect the answer is yes, but that'll be offset by the various bottlenecks they'll have to crawl through...

They'll be faster from Newcastle to York but doubt it on much of the rest of the route. If anything slower on diesel as the 185s are beasts in that respect.

td97 · 9 May 2019

YorkshireBear said:
They'll be faster from Newcastle to York

They'll be able to operate at 125mph (as opposed to 100mph) if they're routed on the ECML fast lines.

YorkshireBear said:
but doubt it on much of the rest of the route.

Manchester -> Liverpool/Airport should be enhanced too with electric acceleration; especially prevalent due to the speed restriction over a level crossing on Chat Moss.
The timetable and routings will need some re-jigging for the journey times to be improved though. Southbound between Newcastle and York, the Liverpool-bound TPE is routed on the ECML slows and overtaken by an LNER KGX train after Darlington. Don't think the same is true Northbound because there's only 2 tracks after Northallerton, apart from through Durham.

It's not yet known if departing York southbound will be on diesel or electric (6 miles up until Colton Jn) - but electric would again offer journey time improvements.

800001 · 9 May 2019

td97 said:
They'll be able to operate at 125mph (as opposed to 100mph) if they're routed on the ECML fast lines.

Manchester -> Liverpool/Airport should be enhanced too with electric acceleration; especially prevalent due to the speed restriction over a level crossing on Chat Moss.
The timetable and routings will need some re-jigging for the journey times to be improved though. Southbound between Newcastle and York, the Liverpool-bound TPE is routed on the ECML slows and overtaken by an LNER KGX train after Darlington. Don't think the same is true Northbound because there's only 2 tracks after Northallerton, apart from through Durham.

It's not yet known if departing York southbound will be on diesel or electric (6 miles up until Colton Jn) - but electric would again offer journey time improvements.

The liverpool's are pathed to follow the londons from Newcastle and are booked fast line from Northallerton.
Only time they run slow is if an lner is a few min late, the tpe is moved to slow at Northallerton or Tollerton.

Jozhua · 9 May 2019

Will they use electric around Leeds? Probably help reduce pollution in the city center and reduce noise/particulates in the undercover station.

td97 · 9 May 2019

JamesGar said:
The liverpool's are pathed to follow the londons from Newcastle and are booked fast line from Northallerton.
Only time they run slow is if an lner is a few min late, the tpe is moved to slow at Northallerton or Tollerton.

Maybe I'm thinking of an anomaly? 9M13 and 1E17.

Spartacus · 9 May 2019

Jozhua said:
Will they use electric around Leeds? Probably help reduce pollution in the city center and reduce noise/particulates in the undercover station.

Until Huddersfield’s wired I doubt it’ll make any difference for all of 5 minutes.

LNW-GW Joint · 9 May 2019

Jozhua said:
Will they use electric around Leeds? Probably help reduce pollution in the city center and reduce noise/particulates in the undercover station.

The OHLE will not have been prepared for switching modes on the run.
It might only be done while stopped at York, and again at Manchester Victoria.
GWR only do it in specific places, particularly raising the pantograph at speed.
There are also lineside signs to be installed where it is allowed, as NR has done around Didcot for GWR.
It also remains to be seen where 769s are allowed to switch modes, again while stopped.

800001 · 9 May 2019

td97 said:
Maybe I'm thinking of an anomaly? 9M13 and 1E17.

I think theres 2 possibly routed slow to Tollerton to allow Lner to overtake. Off top of head I cant recall which.

palmersears · 9 May 2019

td97 said:
They'll be able to operate at 125mph (as opposed to 100mph) if they're routed on the ECML fast lines.

Manchester -> Liverpool/Airport should be enhanced too with electric acceleration; especially prevalent due to the speed restriction over a level crossing on Chat Moss.

I've noted this on my way home, what's the exact issue with the crossing? Is it one that is due to be rectified?

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