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King's Cross Remodelling: January - March 2020 (infrastructure discussion) - aka "King's Uncrossed"

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bramling

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Steve Harris said:
Thank you for the English lesson Sir !

You obviously work for Network Rail and know that the plans and financing for the remodeling was drawn up after GN was transferred to Thameslink and it was proved everything worked fine !!

Context, Context.


As a side note: I enjoyed my trip from Horsham to Sandy on Sunday. Was so convenient not having to catch the tube and being able to catch a direct train :smile:
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Not sure which destination is more exciting, Horsham or Sandy?!

I’m sure I remember someone posting how running more GN services into KX wouldn’t be possible in the future due to the terminus being full. Whilst there may be sufficient platforms for immediate plans, it doesn’t sound like there’s going to be much scope for future development. Having said that, we’re only going back to what it was before platform 0 opened. Possibly the bigger issue going forward maybe the shorter length of the suburban platforms.

As for GN side having settled down, it’s not the shambles it was in May, however reliability isn’t wonderful. It’s rare to go a week without a daily journey being affected by some kind of problem, delay, cancellation or other service recovery measure. This is with just 3tph from/to the core.
 
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Steve Harris said:
Yes GN has been moved to Thameslink (with at times a 2 track railway bottleneck and disruption transfer from South to North, plus wonderful travel 'opportunities' which probably 90% of the travelling public never wanted).
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So, by this logic, 90% of the travelling public arriving into London from the north will get off at St Pancras?
 
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Steve Harris said:
Another route ?

For many years the Moorgate services used to run into Kings Cross when there was disruption or when Moorgate was closed (during the weekend, ie. the services were timetabled into KX).
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But East Coast generally ran fewer services on Saturdays in those days than now and GN ran fewer services on Sundays so there was room for the Moorgate services. There won't be now - disruption or otherwise.
 
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Steve Harris said:
As a side note: I enjoyed my trip from Horsham to Sandy on Sunday. Was so convenient not having to catch the tube and being able to catch a direct train :smile:
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I don't think you did, or at the very least you didn't catch a direct train, seeing as we don't run from Horsham to Peterborough on Sundays.... :lol:
 
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Steve Harris said:
Hence my post to clarify what I had previously posted !

Obviously some posters on here post a reply when in fact they actually haven't fully read what they are replying too !!
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I had read your reply in full but didn't realise the second part was meant to be a correction.
 
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30907 said:
I had read your reply in full but didn't realise the second part was meant to be a correction.
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The second part wasn't a correction, it was merely a clarification.

Not any any time had my posts mentioned the original carnation of Thameslink.
However, I have discussed the transfer of GN services to Thameslink (which at weekends still use Kings Cross - therefore, have a bearing on why remodeling should/shouldn't be carrieed out).
 
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A cursory scan of the routes from Finsbury Park into central London suggests that there are few (if any) alternatives to King's Cross at that point, and those that do involve the use of single-lead chords and the North London Line (assuming that Moorgate and the Thameslink Core are not an option). Diversions would most likely have to start much further back.
 
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Jonny said:
A cursory scan of the routes from Finsbury Park into central London suggests that there are few (if any) alternatives to King's Cross at that point, and those that do involve the use of single-lead chords and the North London Line (assuming that Moorgate and the Thameslink Core are not an option). Diversions would most likely have to start much further back.
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A major problem with railways in the United Kingdom, especially immediately north of London, is that they were all originally built by individual companies who wouldn't let each other use thier rails. In places like Hertford, St Albans, Watford and Winsor (I know not north of London) you see multiple stations that aren't connected to each other. The result has been a severe lack of options for rail users and the railway industry today. You see little chords all over the place that provide some links but there are simply not enough to give the flexibility 'modern Britain' (such a horible phrase) needs. And don't even get me started on franchising...
 
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Jonny said:
A cursory scan of the routes from Finsbury Park into central London suggests that there are few (if any) alternatives to King's Cross at that point, and those that do involve the use of single-lead chords and the North London Line (assuming that Moorgate and the Thameslink Core are not an option). Diversions would most likely have to start much further back.
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They could divert Harringay - South Tottenham - Clapton - Hackney Downs - Liverpool St.
Personally I think it's a non starter, as you'd have to thin out the WA mainline services to accomodate the LNER services, which would be unpopular
 
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cactustwirly said:
They could divert Harringay - South Tottenham - Clapton - Hackney Downs - Liverpool St.
Personally I think it's a non starter, as you'd have to thin out the WA mainline services to accomodate the LNER services, which would be unpopular
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Other than needing a double reversal at Harringay (as I don't think southbound services can directly access the junction towards Goblin & another reversal as the junction faces the wrong way.

If anything were to run into Liverpool Street it will probably be via the Canonbury curve after Finsbury park, then via the Graham Street curve to join the West Anglia lines South of hackney
 
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Kite159 said:
Other than needing a double reversal at Harringay (as I don't think southbound services can directly access the junction towards Goblin & another reversal as the junction faces the wrong way.

If anything were to run into Liverpool Street it will probably be via the Canonbury curve after Finsbury park, then via the Graham Street curve to join the West Anglia lines South of hackney
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That looks bad, the NLL is heavily congested, I don't see how the LNER services would be fitted in
 
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If we're going a bit crayonista, can Stratford International be used as an 'emergency terminus'? I believe there's an access route from Temple Mills into the station, thus meaning trains from the WAML might be able to access it?
 
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