SWTCommuter
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BBC Radio Four news just mentioned that Flying Scotsman has been fitted with cameras to identify trespassers.
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More dangerous lineside behaviour around Flying Scotsman
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But why use words like "iconic" and "legendary" ? That just strengthens the public view that there's something uniquely "special" about this loco.
There really isn't.
Don't trespass. Don't put yourselves and others at risk.
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If they're already banned from railway property, what use would a senior railcard be and what's the use of handing it in?
Also 3 miles seems quite harsh but I agree with the banning order.
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The BBC are running the story too, and included this:
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-48219462
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-48219462
1. How good will the images be from cameras mounted on a steam loco?
2. What purpose will be served by having police officers on the train?
Put the police on the trains in front of the FS, when they are forced to stop because of trespassers then they can jump down and apprehend the offenders after the driver has put an REC in and signallers have declared the line safe, the officers travelling aboard don't need to be seen by the trespassers until then as the driver can have given fair warning of the consequences of the trespass. So driver said "get over the other side of the fence" and when ignored or challenged they are backed up by BTP. Can't really complain about that when you get nicked!
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If the presence of Flying Scotsman gets some other trains delayed/ cancelled (due to Numpties On The Line), who is paying for the passengers inconvenienced because their regular train was late (or didn't run)?
My understanding is that it's not the people running Flying Scotsman because the liabilities for special service like steam/heritage are capped at a fraction of the true cost... so does Network Rail (i.e. the taxpayer) have to stump this cash? Or are TOCs expected to smile sweetly and suck it up?
Either way, these numpties wouldn't be encroaching for a regular passenger train. All these additional costs (including the policing)... it's got to come from somewhere.
My understanding is that it's not the people running Flying Scotsman because the liabilities for special service like steam/heritage are capped at a fraction of the true cost... so does Network Rail (i.e. the taxpayer) have to stump this cash? Or are TOCs expected to smile sweetly and suck it up?
Either way, these numpties wouldn't be encroaching for a regular passenger train. All these additional costs (including the policing)... it's got to come from somewhere.
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As trespass is classed as an external incident NR foot the bill
Edit: just to clarify this is the delay minutes for the incident rather than any direct compensation to passengers which is of course for the TOCs to sort
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I fully agree. Any main line certified steam loco looks and sounds equally impressive on the main line, so in terms of spectacle, FS provides nothing unique.
1. "Jumping down" from a train is not easy.
2. What do the police officers do after "apprehending" the trespassers?
3. Drivers are not law enforcement officers.
158747
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In the context of the post in question I understood lineside to mean a location alongside the line, eg an adjacent field, not the rulebook definition of lineside.
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And sit the trespassers where in a packed intercity train?
Do they get a free ride all the way to the end of the line or are you suggesting having officers, with patrol cars at every station to take them away?
Nobody seems to remember the “Q Trains” then? ECS with a number of BTP officers on board to catch vandals, trespassers etc etc
When did they run? Guessing there was more spare network capacity then than exists today?
And on whose shoulders should the cost of these Q trains fall? They don't run for free.
XCTurbostar
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As a Railway Engineer and PTS holder, I would gladly give up my free time to help keep people back from the running lines. Honestly.
When I first heard of them, this was the early - mid 1980’s so would of course been in BR days.
As you say, these days it would be “who’s paying for it?”
Dr Hoo
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It always used to be the case that the charter train performance regime had the option to ‘buy’ a cap - effectively an insurance premium. The ‘premium’ obviously reflected the likelihood of a significant incident and most services generate far less trouble than the recent FS incident.
In general terms all of the performance regimes are designed to be financially neutral at ‘normal’ or ‘expected’ levels of performance across a Control Period.
As noted above, this does not include Delay Repay.
Very good, there are plenty of stabilisation systems both electronic and mechanical that can be used to counter vibration. Helicopters vibrate all over the place but stable video recordings are easy to get.
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Likewise. Even a fair few of those who view it solely as a job would probably be swayed by a few hours relatively easy overtime. You'd just need to convince the powers that be that it's more cost effective to pay for a deterrent than incur the delay minutes.
Or maybe install hi-vis scarecrows instead?
XCTurbostar
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I agree, I would do it for nothing. I think it needs to be a serious consideration.
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Good. The more caught, the merrier.
I should have had a much closer look, but Ian Prossers name has come up a lot on my Twitter and he has took a dim view of what’s been going on over FS. I know he is someone high up in the Railway Safety side of things but I’m sure someone on here knows exactly who, let’s put it this way though. I’d be worried if I was one of those with the camera.
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First google result:
Yeah he could very easily get these 2 a lifetime ban from the railways.
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a quick question but what is the rail medias view on these sort of infractions? the magazines such as Rail, etc?
I noticed a clip taken on YouTube (not by the perpetrators incidentally) of a pair of cretins who were moving around under a bridge and of course stopped everything. I think a DMU driver had to shout at these idiots to get off and they completely ignored him. Looking at the bridge you can see they would have got better footage on top of it which made the disruption all the more pointless. Some people do that kind of thing for the sake of it.
Oh dear...... THAT high up? Think it’s safe to say something is going to have to change then.
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