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Hello,

I have a Manchester to Birmingham annual season ticket and will be travelling to London. Can I purchase a Birmingham to London return and board a WCML service which does not stop, or indeed pass Birmingham?

I can see from the Conditions of Travel 14.2 that the train does not need call at the ticketing middle station, however I cannot see anything about the train passing the station?

Any clues? It's a welcome saving of £30+ given I already pay over £6k on a season ticket.

Conditions of Travel 14.2
"If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid."
 
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The train does not need to call but it does need to pass through the split station (you can basically consider the combination to have the same validity as a ticket routed via Birmingham). So no, regrettably you can't do this, but if cost is an issue why not simply travel via and change at Brum?
 
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Bletchleyite said:
The train does not need to call but it does need to pass through the split station (you can basically consider the combination to have the same validity as a ticket routed via Birmingham). So no, regrettably you can't do this, but if cost is an issue why not simply travel via and change at Brum?
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Thanks for the response/advice. Would a Stoke to London ticket be valid? Although this doesn't ticket the "last station of one ticket and first of another".
 
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redsi said:
Thanks for the response/advice. Would a Stoke to London ticket be valid? Although this doesn't ticket the "last station of one ticket and first of another".
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Debatable for the reason you state.

I'd travel via Brum, though it would mean getting up earlier/arriving later.
 
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OwlMan said:
A Manchester to Birmingham season ticket is valid via Nuneaton. You will need a ticket from Nuneaton to London
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Nice! So the train passes Nuneaton and my two tickets would be valid even though my season is MAN-BHM? Would this be valid given the CoT14.2 states "last station of one ticket and first of another"?
 
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14.2 If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid.

I think that's perfectly understandable, A Manchester-Birmingham Season is valid at Nuneaton and a Nuneaton-Euston ticket is also valid at Nuneaton
 
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gordonthemoron said:
14.2 If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid.

I think that's perfectly understandable, A Manchester-Birmingham Season is valid at Nuneaton and a Nuneaton-Euston ticket is also valid at Nuneaton
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Correct. I think the only thing that could be debated is the definition of "last". But if it were to be restricted to the stations named on your season only, it would work out to be quite restrictive.
 
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gordonthemoron said:
14.2 If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid.

I think that's perfectly understandable, A Manchester-Birmingham Season is valid at Nuneaton and a Nuneaton-Euston ticket is also valid at Nuneaton
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Fair point, it'd be more debatable if the tickets actually overlapped.
 
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alistairlees said:
Correct. I think the only thing that could be debated is the definition of "last". But if it were to be restricted to the stations named on your season only, it would work out to be quite restrictive.
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The intent of it being to allow one to extend one's season ticket from the end destination, so that may well be so. Though having reviewed the wording I think this case is less of a technicality than otherwise. It's tickets that overlap that it would appear to (unintentionally?) rule out, i.e. if you wanted to combine, on A-B-C-D, a season valid A-C with a ticket valid B-D.

That said, don't be surprised if VT's incompetent Euston barrier staff prevent boarding on the way back.
 
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Bletchleyite said:
It's tickets that overlap that it would appear to (unintentionally?) rule out, i.e. if you wanted to combine, on A-B-C-D, a season valid A-C with a ticket valid B-D.
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Surely it's only ruled out if the train used doesn't call at any station between B-C, inclusive. If it does, it's just use of a combination of tickets, per 14.1?
 
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Silverdale said:
Surely it's only ruled out if the train used doesn't call at any station between B-C, inclusive. If it does, it's just use of a combination of tickets, per 14.1?
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It’s still a combination of tickets if the train calls at either B or C.
 
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