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There's is not usually any alterations made to get 170s back on 170 diagrams even if the respective services are in Norwich at the same time. They are just left to continue on that diagram whether it be Cambridge, Sheringham or Yarmouth. Unit availability was poor yesterday with a 158 making it to Cromer in the evening.
 
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Don’t think there’s anything wrong with complaining about the trains in Norwich.

Cambridge and so on has a superior service (most trains at least 8 car), don’t see why Norwich doesn’t.
Are you saying Norwich-Cambridge should be 8-car?
 

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Well the Cambridge to Ely services are often 8 car
Surely you are not serious. You do realise Ely-Norwich isn't electrified, the platforms are not long enough at all local stations & that the trains do not go through to London. I'm very confused as to what you are getting at.
 

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Well, Cambridge has a population of 150,000. Norwich 210,000.

Ely 20,000 and is served by many 8 car.

I understand the electrification point and the platform length. Although I do not agree with it.

Places such as Waterbeach and Ely are just as small and rural as Attleborough, so I don’t see that they are any more justified in having a superior service.
 

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To be fair the 3 car is often full. The FLIRTs will provide a welcome increase in capacity. What the route really needs is a more frequent service, but I guess the usual culprit of Ely North makes that problematic and unlikely.
Plus all the stations other 5han perhaps the request stops served by 1 tpd have plenty of unused platform length at present.
 

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Well, Cambridge has a population of 150,000. Norwich 180,000.

Ely 20,000 and is served by many 8 car.

I understand the electrification point and the platform length. Although I do not agree with it.

Places such as Waterbeach and Ely are just as small and rural as Attleborough etc.
Norwich has an Intercity service to London every half hour via Ipswich. All trains have 8-9 passenger coaches & soon to be 12. You seem to be missing the point of rural services.
 

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Well I think a place of 210,000 deserves more than a 2-car gas guzzler.
I dread to know what you make of services around Manchester, Leeds & the like then. At least East Anglia was never blessed with Pacers. Two or three cars suffice for most of the day on the Norwich-Cambridge route. Standing is only commonplace between Ely & Cambridge on those services & that's down to those at Ely who have a wide choice of other trains.
 

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I dread to know what you make of services around Manchester, Leeds & the like then. At least East Anglia was never blessed with Pacers. Two or three cars suffice for most of the day on the Norwich-Cambridge route. Standing is only commonplace between Ely & Cambridge on those services & that's down to those at Ely who have a wide choice of other trains.

Well there’s places like Braintree that are served by 4-car constantly. I can’t imagine it’s crowded.

Based on experience the Norwich train is never empty.
 

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Well there’s places like Braintree that are served by 4-car constantly. I can’t imagine it’s crowded.

Based on experience the Norwich train is never empty.
Braintree is also served by 12-car trains. It has the benefit of OHL though otherwise it would still be served by 3-car DMUs as it was in the 60s.
 

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So it’s all based on circumstances. As I say I think Norwich deserves better.

Well it's 8 and 9 coach services to London on 30 year old stock will soon be brand new 12 car purpose built units, with additional services. The entire rural fleet is being replaced with larger units. Does that not constitute "better"?
 

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Unit availability was poor yesterday with a 158 making it to Cromer in the evening.

I was on an Anglia Rover yesterday doing some pubs in Reedham and Woodbridge, as an avid Sprinter fan I should have kept an eye on Journey Check! :D
 
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I was on an Anglia Rover yesterday doing some pubs in Reedham and Woodbridge, as an avid Sprinter fan I should have kept an eye on Journey Check! :D
Schoolboy error :lol: Mate you picked two nice places for a pint particularly the latter
 

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Norwich deserves better? Some folks are incredibly hard to please. The Norwich - Cambridge service has been a victim of its own success and will get additional capacity soon. The London service every half hour (last train from London 23.30 7 days per week) is frequent enough. And a through train (for now) hourly to the other side of the country.

Still at least the thread is now back on topic, Woodbridge is indeed a fine town for pubs.;)
 
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And I’m allowed to disagree with it. If that’s seen as a dig sorry. I’ve added a ;) to my previous post to indicate perhaps I was not entirely serious.
 

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I will be doing train photos around parts of East Anglia in March 2020. Anyone know if the new GA trains will be in use on services through Brundall?

Dave
 

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Yes they will. Whether they will by March 2020 is anybody's guess at the moment.
 

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I will be doing train photos around parts of East Anglia in March 2020. Anyone know if the new GA trains will be in use on services through Brundall?

Dave
Something will have severely gone wrong if they are not all new trains through Brundall by then. Saying that though anything can happen. The railways are nothing if not interesting these days.
 

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I dread to know what you make of services around Manchester, Leeds & the like then. At least East Anglia was never blessed with Pacers. Two or three cars suffice for most of the day on the Norwich-Cambridge route. Standing is only commonplace between Ely & Cambridge on those services & that's down to those at Ely who have a wide choice of other trains.

Although IIRC the Ely - Cambridge trains do cluster together with a ~ 23 minute gap between the unit from Kings Lynn and the unit from Norwich (then the GN starter from Ely followed by the XC towards the airport then another 20 minute gap).

Add on that the unit from Norwich will form the connection with the EMT service from Nottingham, so it's a case of non ideal planning. If the GN starter went first it wouks take the bulk of passengers.
 

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Although IIRC the Ely - Cambridge trains do cluster together with a ~ 23 minute gap between the unit from Kings Lynn and the unit from Norwich (then the GN starter from Ely followed by the XC towards the airport then another 20 minute gap).

Add on that the unit from Norwich will form the connection with the EMT service from Nottingham, so it's a case of non ideal planning. If the GN starter went first it wouks take the bulk of passengers.
Trouble with that is it would make the GN sit a pointless amount of time at Cambridge even if platform space there where available, ruin the almost even interval half hourly fast Kings Cross departures & to be fair off peak is not the time that causes anywhere near the overcrowding from Ely. Most Norwich Cambridge 'up' services pick up no more than 30 punters at Ely during the day.
 
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