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New trains for East Midlands Franchise
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Bletchleyite
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/2 might be though I suspect 360s may be cheaper. They could be reseated to 2+2.
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The refurbished 185s give a decent ride (when not ridiculously overcrowded!). No reason the ex-WMR 350s can't be given the exact same quality of refurbishment. The major advantage the 350s have over the 360s is that they already have gangways (and the 110mph running already being certified and in operation).
Electrostars could have a similar refurbishment too if necessary. 387s are already running at 110 too with GWR, could the ex-Stanstead Express 379s be modified to run at 110?
Electrostars could have a similar refurbishment too if necessary. 387s are already running at 110 too with GWR, could the ex-Stanstead Express 379s be modified to run at 110?
The route is losing HSTs, they still run many of the peak services.
700007
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My money so far for the Corby work would be 360s - if the ROSCO can get all 21 units a new home rather than just part of a batch they would be more willing to offer this at a lower price as all units are working and thus getting the ROSCO money.
They're hard working and reliable units that barely seem to age. All they would need is an internal refurbishment just to reseat to 2+2 seating with improved first class, a new carpet, repainted exterior and interior handrails and an upgrade to 110mph and they're all good to go.
They're hard working and reliable units that barely seem to age. All they would need is an internal refurbishment just to reseat to 2+2 seating with improved first class, a new carpet, repainted exterior and interior handrails and an upgrade to 110mph and they're all good to go.
Bletchleyite
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HSTs go to Corby?
Hairy Bear
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16.50 Pancras to Corby booked a Angel Hst set. So yes.
Bletchleyite
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Oh OK, didn't know that, I thought Corby was just Meridians.
Even so, a 2+2 seated Desiro is more than acceptable for a journey of that length, I make such journeys very frequently and have never had significant cause to be dissatisfied with them.
Mordac
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You might have if you were paying Corby prices though! Not saying I disagree with you, but more trying to understand where opposition might come from.
Just stick 379s on it and be done with it. The interior ambience in first and standard is just as good as that found on a 222 and I'm sure they can be modified for 110mph without too much difficulty. About the only thing "wrong" with them is the doors aren't at the end but that's always something that runs around in some peoples heads as being a bigger issue than it really is. Heck you can even sell them as being around five years younger than a 222 whilst the 360s are a few years older (and would require a proper refurbishment to avoid a tremendous downgrade in quality).
The quality standard of TPEs 350s would be about right for the services. They are high spec for regional routes / low spec for intercity. Frankly any EMU that can do or can be modified to do 110mph with fast acceleration would be fine. If the seating isn't suitable then it can be replaced before entering service.
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Yes..an ex GC buffer fitted set with a shorter rake of 6 coaches including a first coach reclassified as standard class!
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379's should probably work fine.
the maintainance crews are already basically fully trained up( bedpan was 378's for a good while, I doubt there is much significant change in the running gear)
360's means a full training course and probably a few problems with reliability during the learning curve.
anyway, whatever they decide, an 2*4 car configuration is still going to be a vast improvement in seating capacity over the existing set up.
depends on leasing costs obviously, but 379 also has the advantage of end gangways.
if abellio get the 360's massively cheaper,I still wouldn't complain too much, as long as they are on time,all the time, and there's somewhere to park my backside.
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cactustwirly
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Caldwell doesn't have any maintenance staff anymore, so there'd need to be traction training regardless of traction type
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I thought most of it was done at cricklewood.
there is a small maintainance depot south of bedford(and selhurst,which would help i think as 379's are dual voltage?)
None of it is done at Cricklewood. It's going to be 360s with 2 roads at Caldwell. I don't think EMT drivers will be going to Selhurst even if they did fit shoes to a 379!
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What’s the evidence for some sort of relationship between Corby fares and rolling stock? Do people seriously think the fares will be changed if an EMU takes over from a Meridian?
Bletchleyite
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Assuming 2+2 seating, clearly they should increase due to the upgrade to a decent EMU with no rattles.
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the fares won't change....seems like a nice little earner as the track access charges and fuel costs for 2* 360/379 will be about 2/3 that of a 5 car meridian.
not to mention better miles per technical fault ratings.
Jorge Da Silva
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According to Modern Railways Bombardier, Hitachi and Stadler are in the running for the new trains.
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The current Intercity fleet is quite mixed in terms of length, and ignoring the HST/Meridian mix.
Is this something that works well, or do the shorter
Meridians pair up often?
Essentially I'm wondering if the new Intercity fleet will be similarly mixed or if we'll see a simpler 5 car/9 car mix like GWR and LNER.
Is this something that works well, or do the shorter
Meridians pair up often?
Essentially I'm wondering if the new Intercity fleet will be similarly mixed or if we'll see a simpler 5 car/9 car mix like GWR and LNER.
Jorge Da Silva
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I would prefer Hitachi. Stadler sounds like it may struggle to meet journey time requirements and Hitachi sounds like a strong contender.
Meridians work doubled up often enough, so there's a good call for some sort of short/long combination order in line with the current fleet. Long Eaton and Beeston still need to be served effectively.
I can't see Hitachi offering a 4/8 car 26m AT300 without losing a significant amount of capacity, so I think it's safe to assume the Bombardier and Hitachi offerings will be quite similar 23m units in 5 car and 9 car formations.
What could Stadler be proposing? A version of the 755 with longer power cars and bigger/more engines? That's a lot of platform space to lose out on.
I can't see Hitachi offering a 4/8 car 26m AT300 without losing a significant amount of capacity, so I think it's safe to assume the Bombardier and Hitachi offerings will be quite similar 23m units in 5 car and 9 car formations.
What could Stadler be proposing? A version of the 755 with longer power cars and bigger/more engines? That's a lot of platform space to lose out on.
Jorge Da Silva
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Apparently Stadler’s offer struggles to meet journey time requirements so despite people thinking it would be in pole position it does not look that way as if it cannot meet journey time requirements on diesel then it is less likely to be chosen. Bombardier and Hitachi do meet this requirements. In fact Hitachi come extremely close to this requirement.
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I personally doubt the 755 would be good in this case, but if i remember, the power cars for East Anglia only have half the engine bays filled, so they could double their power without losing any more platform space.
Edit - Sorry, just found it, that only applies to the 3 car variant.
And at least 40% lower maintenance costs
Bletchleyite
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I'd personally go for a uniform fleet of 7 or 8x26m and vary the timetable and Advance fares to make best use of them.
Wouldn't that cause issues with flighting services in the morning and evening peaks at STP? At present they regularly double up the units because of the meagre 4 platforms they got stuck with. I suppose they could slash the turnaround times and not do any cleaning...
Bombardier is mostly likely to use the 24m bodyshell that Anglia, LNR and C2C have ordered hence 10car or 2x 5car thus max out on the platform length unlike any 23m or 26m options. SDO will sort the short platform issues especially if they go for 10car.
A pair of cabs will cost about £250k so long fixed length can be worth it.
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