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[OT] I'd forgotten all about the side contact EMUs... was the side contact for clearance reasons?
Pedant alert... all these mentions of Class 73s - the thread title says Units and 73s are locos
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[OT] I'd forgotten all about the side contact EMUs... was the side contact for clearance reasons?
Pedant alert... all these mentions of Class 73s - the thread title says Units and 73s are locos
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ok being a bit more pedantic[OT] I'd forgotten all about the side contact EMUs... was the side contact for clearance reasons?
Pedant alert... all these mentions of Class 73s - the thread title says Units and 73s are locos
southern units hauled off region would tend to have the shoebeam removed
now in some instances to be recycled as spares at depot or indeed thrown in the brakevan cab vestibule or within the coach as the they dont want them as old stock so tecnically with shoes although not connected
also shoes on units raise perhaps 3 or four inches where as on a 73 is completely clear and within the bogie profile so not the low point
Killingworth
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Didn't Regional Eurostar Class 373/2 units work service trains on the ECML to Yorks and Leeds for a short time in regular service?
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whats the furthest north a 92 has reached?
are they all still fitted with shoegear?
Killingworth
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surely the tyneside electrics are in with a shout.
That picture brings back memories. I'd forgotten that all 4 tracks were electrified at that point, the viewpoint being on the top of the castle keep. The most usual view was in the opposite direction over the impressive multiple diamond crossing at the east end of Newcastle Central. Manors platforms are just visible in this shot, the tracks to the right leading towards Heaton and Tynemouth, those to the left towards Gosforth - and Tynemouth. (Going the wrong way round the circuit was a fairly frequent occurrence for those who didn't check carefully, something that can still happen from Monument on the Metro.) I recall being alone in a train stopped for what seemed an eternity high up on that viaduct roughly where the electric is pictured.
and am i right thinking the unit was transferred to Southern and became a 4-EPB there? But there were detail differences between the tyneside units and the native southern ones. Something to do with the guards van?
googling answered my own question
The tyneside units were 2 car so 2-EPB, had bigger luggage compartments for fish traffic and prams, a 1st class compartment and roller destination blinds and marker lights. when they were 'southnerised', the 1st class was removed, and the front ends were remodelled with 2 character route number blinds.
More here - http://www.emus.co.uk/tyn.htm
Killingworth
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The unit pictured was one of the 1937 LNER units operating on the North Tyneside routes, scrapped in 1967 when diesels took over. The Southern style stock was used on the South Tyneside line from 1955 - 1963. Almost identical to it, but the guards vans were bigger to carry the large numbers of prams that then went to the coast at South Shields. Not so sure about there being much fish, but rod and line fishing from South Shields pier might have provided a few! But we're in danger of starting a new thread on this.
how do you tell?
Killingworth
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Very simple, the picture is of the 4 approach tracks Newcastle Central from the north and east. The two to the left will bear to the left through Manors and up through Jesmond, West Jesmond, South Gosforth, Longbenton, and Benton towards the coast clockwise. Depending on the date trains would run that way every 15/20/30 minutes. The two tracks to the right will be the way that train will return after completing the loop, the train normally then being on the far right hand track, same timings.
The Southern style rolling stock only operated the South Tyneside line to South Shields. After pulling out of Central they'd have curved south across the famous diamond crossing below the castle before the High Level Bridge into Gateshead.
The Southern units did take the track pictured once a day en route to the car sheds at South Gosforth. They were distinctly different with their multiple doors down the side of each carriage rather than the sliding doors at the ends of the former LNER stock. (All the first generation DMUs were serviced at South Gosforth too.)
I only walked alongside the tracks near West Jesmond 4 times a day for 5 or 6 years on my way to school (school dinners weren't available because I lived too close), so knew all those trains very well. Here's one I captured one evening in 1965 at Ilford Road Metro station, or so it would become! I was more interested in the firemen than the train at the time. In those days lineside fires were quite common after freight trains for the collieries had passed. Electric trains were routine, 10 a penny.
Don't take my word for it. See here; https://www.lner.info/locos/Electric/lner_tyneside.php I'd forgotten that these twin car units ran on an articulated chassis with 3 bogies.https://www.lner.info/locos/Electric/lner_tyneside.php
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They did, but clearly Newcastle is well north of Yorkshire, Glasgow more so
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And the North Tyneside Units were also towed to Scotland for scrapping, the whole lot were cut up at Connell's in Coatbridge.
Most northerly station is Kelvinbridge, and the most northerly point is just east of the station.
If glasgow subway is side contact 3rd rail, what is the pickup on the tunnel wall for? I remember the station names being surrounded by that 'rail'
you can see it in this pic
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6056/6341664338_c3eb88aab6_b.jpg
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Telephone line, just clip the phone headset to the two wires to make a call to control.
zoom in on the pic. you can see some sort of pickup connecting the train to the live bars. I seem to remember them sparking as the train went.
This is a far more substantial thing than the phone wires on the london underground.
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I did see in 75, a driver clip a headset to these wires. So could be used for both.
From memory, I think it was to provide lighting current - the 'old' red stock (in the picture) was originally cable worked, rebuilt on electrification, but that was something not changed. It may also have been used for signalling/train detection purposes (rather than using track circuits).
hexagon789
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Definitely to Leeds, not sure about York.
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They were called “T Irons” and were originally energised at 230V DC. As well as providing car lighting and telephone communication with the Station Masters they were used, from 1935, to automatically operate the signalling system and associated tripcocks but for this they had to be supplied at 250V AC. The signalling system was a very clever piece of design done in house by the Glasgow Corporation and a detailed explanation of how the system worked is given in the book Circles Under The Clyde by Wright and Maclean, which is the seminal work on the Subway. The T Irons went along with the old cars and the signalling system as part of the modernisation.
hexagon789
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I knew they were cleared to York but not whether they operated regular services to York.
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Some of the London North Western Railway Class 350s are dual overhead and third rail and in the Central Trains days there was one service per day to Preston, not sure if any Class 350 trains with third rail ever worked that service however.
The Transpennine Express Class 350s I think are AC only so don't count.
The Glasgow Subway is of course 600v DC third rail however that doesn't really count.
The Transpennine Express Class 350s I think are AC only so don't count.
The Glasgow Subway is of course 600v DC third rail however that doesn't really count.
edwin_m
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They did - I travelled on one.
hexagon789
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I previously thought that any 373-operated service was branded as White Rose, and as only Leeds services seemed to be labelled as such in the GNER timetable I have, I took it that they only ran to Leeds on a regular basis.
IIRC, they originally ran to York, then later Leeds.
hexagon789
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So not both destinations at the same time then?
Deepgreen
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Yes, but note that the BBC News web site's coverage of the vandalism of the Stamford model railway exhibition refers to "locomotive units"! The BBC blurs things again. BTW, class 419s (single coaches) are also locomotives, rather than units.[OT] I'd forgotten all about the side contact EMUs... was the side contact for clearance reasons?
Pedant alert... all these mentions of Class 73s - the thread title says Units and 73s are locos
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