Bletchleyite
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To what effect? Will the MK1 guard's eyeball not do as it does on other stock of that vintage?
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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently
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To what effect? Will the MK1 guard's eyeball not do as it does on other stock of that vintage?
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normally the obstruction detection would automatically re-open the door when encountering an obstruction. How this was inadvertantly disabled when the stock was converted to DOO I don't know (i'm guessing taking a supply away or providing a supply to a train wire which had an affect on the door system causing this issue)
Goldfish62
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It's interesting that trains of this vintage had this feature from new yet the much newer Class 458s try to slice you in half when you get in the way of the doors.
43096
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Don’t get in the way of the doors then. The hustle alarms sound for a reason...
Goldfish62
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I was waiting for some smart Alec to say that. Passengers are just such a nuisance aren't they? Especially when they're less able bodied and may take longer to board or alight than the 10 seconds between the door opening and the auto close kicking. Anyway, we digress...
To be fair the guard or driver shouldn't be shutting the doors when people are boarding...
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458s have auto-close which is not driver or guard controlled to help keep heat in (winter) or heat out (summer).
Ah right, fair point.
The auto close is much longer than 10 seconds.
hexagon789
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Isn't it usually about 1-2 minutes.
Deepgreen
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Shambolic again. Has any rolling stock been introduced on time and in a reliable condition in the last ten years or so?!
Bletchleyite
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This is what you get by giving contracts to the cheapest bidder.
cjmillsnun
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350/3?
Don't they stop closing if someone gets in the way? Do the 165/166 (and possibly 465/466) still slam shut after a few minutes with no warning whatsoever? I haven't been on one for years.
southern442
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To be fair, the first lot of 387's were churned out pretty quickly and with not very many problems that I can remember.
Deepgreen
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Quite.
Deepgreen
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I know there are several differences between them and the 377s, etc., but they were pretty much a continuation of an established production line.
NSEFAN
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Perhaps a good example of "if it ain't broke..."
Dren Ahmeti
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Shamelessly copied from someone on the internet:
“Ah, Door Problems - remember the old limerick?....
This little Piggy failed at Branksome,
This little Piggy failed at Wool,
This little Piggy had door trouble and,
This little Piggy wouldn't go at all!!”
“Ah, Door Problems - remember the old limerick?....
This little Piggy failed at Branksome,
This little Piggy failed at Wool,
This little Piggy had door trouble and,
This little Piggy wouldn't go at all!!”
Goldfish62
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No. They try to slice you in two.
There were issues with the 387/1's, Doors were a big one, toilets had issues but these were largely due to staff being unfamiliar with the units, then there was the incorrectly wired AWS button/harness's, but most of these were dealt with discretely either because the fleet was under-utilised to allow rectification or extra units were brought in to remedy in the end (387/2's temporarily on loan to TL)
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Can anybody help me to explain why the jumper covers were removed by Gat Ex, then some were refitted when they went into store but now they have all been removed again. I know that they have had problems with them from the start, but it seems strange why some were refitted, and have been removed before even going back into service. There must be a way of keeping them in the raised position without dropping down while in motion, after all that's part of their character, with the clean, uncluttered front.
RichSwitch
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Does this suggest that WorstMTR were originally banking on operating these as DOO themselves? If so, that proposal has certainly come back to bite them on the bum. One wonders what issue they’ll find with them next. Maybe cab crashworthiness. Or we remain in the EU only for some piece of EU legislation forcing their withdrawal.
It used to be ‘No to 450’. Perhaps next it will be ‘Give us new, Not the 442!’
No, DOO controls were moved when they were transferred back to SWR.
Goldfish62
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Maybe something to do with returning them to the leasing company in the condition in which they were leased? Just a guess.
theironroad
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When they finally get into public service and providing they are reliable, then I think the saynoto450 campaign will be quite happy with the 442 refurbed interiors.
StephenHunter
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That's not actually a limerick...
Anyway, are these due to start in proper service soon?
They were due to start on Sunday, but a timescale hasn’t been provided in which they expect to develop a fix and modify the whole fleet. It’s a real can of worms.
StephenHunter
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What's the problem?
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