Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

delt1c · 15 May 2019

hexagon789 said:
Not sure I quite understand your meaning, sorry?

then that is your challenge

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JLUK144 · 15 May 2019

delt1c said:
then that is your challenge

I’m sorry but that’s a dreadful way to respond to a perfectly normal question. @hexagon789 didn’t understand what you were talking about. It is usually customary to explain that and apologise for causing any confusion. But to say “that is your challenge” is disdainful and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. The forum expects better.

delt1c · 15 May 2019

JLUK144 said:
I’m sorry but that’s a dreadful way to respond to a perfectly normal question. @hexagon789 didn’t understand what you were talking about. It is usually customary to explain that and apologise for causing any confusion. But to say “that is your challenge” is disdainful and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. The forum expects better.

To say that is your challenge , refers to researching the history, nothing dreadful, or need to apologise for nor disdainful. End of

snookertam · 15 May 2019

From what I've read elsewhere (Scot-Rail.co.uk) that on the Cathcart Circle routes there will still be a few 314 diagrams through until December. I think 53 services instead of the current 72

Apparently 12 services per day will be operated by class 385 units - for comparison I think there are currently 10, so not a big increase at all if the info I heard was correct. That leaves a bigger increase in services worked class 318/320 units as well. Seems like only minor changes on this line next week.

That assumes the info on Scot-Rail was correct.

hexagon789 · 15 May 2019

snookertam said:
From what I've read elsewhere (Scot-Rail.co.uk) that on the Cathcart Circle routes there will still be a few 314 diagrams through until December. I think 53 services instead of the current 72

Apparently 12 services per day will be operated by class 385 units - for comparison I think there are currently 10, so not a big increase at all if the info I heard was correct. That leaves a bigger increase in services worked class 318/320 units as well. Seems like only minor changes on this line next week.

That assumes the info on Scot-Rail was correct.

That's certainly a lot more than previous posts in this thread gave the impression, but they've been right before.

hexagon789 · 15 May 2019

delt1c said:
To say that is your challenge , refers to researching the history

Even with that explanation I'm afraid I'm none the wiser. What am I meant to be researching the history of?

anthannan · 15 May 2019

Does anyone know if there's a delivery on the way? I've got a listing on realtime trains but it doesn't appear to have left?

380101 · 15 May 2019

SC318250 said:
Ayrshire will be 380
Inverclyde will be all 380 except 1x385 on Gourock, and either 1 x 318 or 320 on Wemyss Bay, with exception of 0555 Gourock 6 car 314 which splits to form 2 services back to Glasgow
Think they then couple back up to form Cathcarts etc

Paisley Canal i think is either 318/320 or 380

As far as I'm aware (Im sure the notice is still up in Glaagow Central bothy - it was there on Sunday) 320s are route cleared in the Sectional Appendix but barred from the Inverclyde lines due to an issue with viewing the platform DOO equipment.

Mingulay · 16 May 2019

A question please

I have noticed on some 385s middle coach 2 there is a loud bang like a spring snapping on a drum for want of a better description. I assume it’s from the pantograph as it changes lines? Very dramatic. Is this common to all EMU s?

Usually raises heads of the passengers as it sounds like something has broken or fallen off!

route101 · 16 May 2019

Mingulay said:
A question please

I have noticed on some 385s middle coach 2 there is a loud bang like a spring snapping on a drum for want of a better description. I assume it’s from the pantograph as it changes lines? Very dramatic. Is this common to all EMU s?

Usually raises heads of the passengers as it sounds like something has broken or fallen off!

You get that onthe pendolinos too.

Ben Conlin · 16 May 2019

Does anyone know how many of the Lanark services will be operated by 385s when the timetable changes? Also is it possible to determine whether or not they will be 3 or 6 carriages? Thanks

InOban · 16 May 2019

How many units are still to be delivered? This is the first week this year that there doesn't seem to be one on the way, unless tomorrow.

VioletEclipse · 16 May 2019

snookertam said:
From what I've read elsewhere (Scot-Rail.co.uk) that on the Cathcart Circle routes there will still be a few 314 diagrams through until December. I think 53 services instead of the current 72

Apparently 12 services per day will be operated by class 385 units - for comparison I think there are currently 10, so not a big increase at all if the info I heard was correct. That leaves a bigger increase in services worked class 318/320 units as well. Seems like only minor changes on this line next week.

That assumes the info on Scot-Rail was correct.

314s staying around till December? If that's correct then that's brilliant. Time enough to go west and travel on them for the last time before they go.

hexagon789 · 16 May 2019

Mingulay said:
A question please

I have noticed on some 385s middle coach 2 there is a loud bang like a spring snapping on a drum for want of a better description. I assume it’s from the pantograph as it changes lines? Very dramatic. Is this common to all EMU s?

Usually raises heads of the passengers as it sounds like something has broken or fallen off!

It'll be going through the neutral sections.

The main circuit breaker is opened and closed by trackside magnets when passing through breaks between different sections of the overhead electrification.

Altnabreac · 16 May 2019

InOban said:
How many units are still to be delivered? This is the first week this year that there doesn't seem to be one on the way, unless tomorrow.

4 x 3 car and 1 x 4 car remain at Newton Aycliffe.

Scot-rail.co.uk expecting the final 4 car to be delivered tomorrow night and then the 3 cars once a week for the next four weeks.

Then there are the four test units (2 x 3 car and 2 x 4 car) which went to Italy for fitting out which may arrive July ish.

snookertam · 18 May 2019

Looking like a 5Z86 Corkerhill to Central tonight probably to work 2B86 2052 Central to Lanark, and a 5Z88 off Corkerhill to work 2Z88 2116 Central to Edinburgh. If my reading is correct then I'd imagine these will be formed by 385s to get them in position for tomorrow.

EMU303 · 18 May 2019

Delivery of remaining units (10-12?) seems to have slowed down. Is that because the factory have still to finish them, or are they not needed until 2x4 units can start running upon completion of GQS platform extensions?

Sickandtired · 18 May 2019

Serious question. Does anyone think E-G actually needs 8 car 385 service. I never struggle to get a seat at either fh or croy. Think on that line 8 car is embelishment for embelishment sake?

Esker-pades · 18 May 2019

Sickandtired said:
Serious question. Does anyone think E-G actually needs 8 car 385 service. I never struggle to get a seat at either fh or croy. Think on that line 8 car is embelishment for embelishment sake?

What times are you travelling?

alangla · 18 May 2019

It’s probably more so First is always in a predictable place and there’s more of it. Given the fares, one would assume (hope) the extra First is profitable

Mag_seven · 18 May 2019

Sickandtired said:
Serious question. Does anyone think E-G actually needs 8 car 385 service. I never struggle to get a seat at either fh or croy. Think on that line 8 car is embelishment for embelishment sake?

Until a train is cancelled and the next four car train is subsequently rammed. Today's railway should be increasing capacity not reducing it!

snookertam · 18 May 2019

Sickandtired said:
Serious question. Does anyone think E-G actually needs 8 car 385 service. I never struggle to get a seat at either fh or croy. Think on that line 8 car is embelishment for embelishment sake?

During the peaks I think it needs 8 cars, or if not now it certainly will in the near future. I'd agree that between the peaks it may not be necessary, but if the plan is to promote rail travel between the two cities and tempt people and businesses away from car usage, I think embellishing it a little for the tme being is worth it.

takno · 18 May 2019

Sickandtired said:
Serious question. Does anyone think E-G actually needs 8 car 385 service. I never struggle to get a seat at either fh or croy. Think on that line 8 car is embelishment for embelishment sake?

I think 7 cars would probably do for this year, but they're not exactly quiet for a good chunk of the day, and they're only going to get busier. Right we still don't have the faster journey times, we're coming out of years of disruption on the line (still ongoing at Queen Street), and population is growing rapidly. Add to that the people you might tempt on now they can get a seat rather than standing with their face in someone's armpit, and the investment in 8 coaches will be paying off in no time

Sickandtired · 18 May 2019

FelixtheCat said:
What times are you travelling?

Most of it is peak times morning and evening to and from edinburgh.

Couple of times a month croy to glasgow off peak.

hexagon789 · 18 May 2019

Sickandtired said:
Serious question. Does anyone think E-G actually needs 8 car 385 service. I never struggle to get a seat at either fh or croy. Think on that line 8 car is embelishment for embelishment sake?

I think this is one of those occasions where they are anticipating future demand and we should be thankful for it. Unless you meant that you felt they could use some of the units elsewhere? Which I can appreciate.

Sickandtired · 18 May 2019

Mag_seven said:
Until a train is cancelled and the next four car train is subsequently rammed. Today's railway should be increasing capacity not reducing it!

Hmm. Do other lines get that sort of redundency?? Cancellations are a fact of lines on lines and at least eg gets 4 tph. It just seems the scotrail only cares about one line that is over provided for.

hexagon789 · 18 May 2019

Sickandtired said:
Hmm. Do other lines get that sort of redundency?? Cancellations are a fact of lines on lines and at least eg gets 4 tph. It just seems the scotrail only cares about one line that is over provided for.

It's been treated like that practically since the inception of British Rail. Newest/best stock, one of the best frequencies and always had hot spares to cover failures.

Just a continuation of a tradition you might say

Sickandtired · 18 May 2019

hexagon789 said:
I think this is one of those occasions where they are anticipating future demand and we should be thankful for it. Unless you meant that you felt they could use some of the units elsewhere? Which I can appreciate.

Its this in a nutshell. I also use fg to edin park a lot as well. Will see what new timetable brings but at this time i see no need for extra capacity on eg.

hexagon789 · 18 May 2019

Sickandtired said:
Its this in a nutshell. I also use fg to edin park a lot as well. Will see what new timetable brings but at this time i see no need for extra capacity on eg.

Perhaps if the units were all 3-car and the platforms could take 9-car, that would be match demand.

Hopefully once everything is in service and the new timetable bedded-in that will bring a better spread of capacity.

computerSaysNo · 19 May 2019

hexagon789 said:
Perhaps if the units were all 3-car and the platforms could take 9-car, that would be match demand.

Hopefully once everything is in service and the new timetable bedded-in that will bring a better spread of capacity.

Would running 9 cars (3+3+3) have much (or any?) capacity increase over 8 cars (4+4), due to the extra intermediate cabs in the 9 car formation?

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