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ATW/Keolis Amey Wales stock shortages

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no worries :) until late 2006 there were 40 158s on ATW (815-854) but then all 27 175s were fully acquired (previously shared with other operators) allowing the 158s to reduce in number to 24 (818-841). I believe Northern and East Midlands have the "ex"-ATW 158s.

So 175s do the main long-distance routes and 158s the next lot down.

142-081 has just come into Carmarthen for the 1631 Swansea :D

Ha ha, some happy passengers I'll bet! ;)
 
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So 175s do the main long-distance routes and 158s the next lot down.

Ha ha, some happy passengers I'll bet! ;)
Basically yes, if you go by journey time. But due to there not being quite enough 175s built, Manchester-Milford Havens for example are mostly 175s but otherwise a Canton-basing 158, 150s being the "reserve" like the 142 on that Carmarthen-Swansea. But then you have the Ebbw Vale and Gloucester/Maesteg stuff which use any spare 150, 158 or even 175. And yes there was someone waving off their friend on the Pacer to Swansea :)
 

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Basically yes, if you go by journey time. But then you have the Ebbw Vale and Gloucester/Maesteg stuff which use any spare 150, 158 or even 175. And yes there was someone waving off their friend on the Pacer to Swansea :)

Rare traction for such a service too good to miss! :lol:
 

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I've seen quite a few 142s/143s from Carmarthen on Swanseas and Cardiff Central terminators!

In other words TfW are mixing things up a bit? ;)

I suppose it comes back to any train being better than no train, at least TfW are providing the service.
 

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In other words TfW are mixing things up a bit? ;)

I suppose it comes back to any train being better than no train, at least TfW are providing the service.
Pacers were cleared to West Wales under Arriva as well
 

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Fishguard.

(Holyhead is in North Wales - Pacers aren't even signed by Shrewsbury crew let alone North Wales crew)

Well it's on the west coast to be fair ;)

My knowledge of TfW operations is poor, but this thread is improving it!

I find it interesting to compare the shortages and substitutions in Wales with what's going on up here with ScotRail just now.
 

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Well it's on the west coast to be fair ;)

My knowledge of TfW operations is poor, but this thread is improving it!

I find it interesting to compare the shortages and substitutions in Wales with what's going on up here with ScotRail just now.
North-West Wales then :) It's South-West Wales Pacers are cleared :p
 

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Basically yes, if you go by journey time. But due to there not being quite enough 175s built, Manchester-Milford Havens for example are mostly 175s but otherwise a Canton-basing 158, 150s being the "reserve" like the 142 on that Carmarthen-Swansea. But then you have the Ebbw Vale and Gloucester/Maesteg stuff which use any spare 150, 158 or even 175. And yes there was someone waving off their friend on the Pacer to Swansea :)


158s and 175s have booked workings to Gloucester, Cheltenham Maesteg and Ebbw Vale
 

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Intriguing, I'd have thought more 158s/175s would be free at weekends.

Not really because the service is just as intense on a Saturday. There are 15-s working on the Marches on a Sunday because 175s are in the wrong place at the wrong time due to service patterns
 

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Well it's on the west coast to be fair ;)

My knowledge of TfW operations is poor, but this thread is improving it!

I find it interesting to compare the shortages and substitutions in Wales with what's going on up here with ScotRail just now.

142s/143s have also turned up on the Heart of Wales line as far as Llandrindod, but due to the crew switching there, it couldn't go any further North.

I have read before that pacers are cleared for north of Craven Arms if not the leading or trailing unit. I.e. the centre of a 6 car formation. No idea if this is true. A poster previously wrote that a 14x made it to Church Stretton on a late night special service after a sporting event as it was in the middle of a three unit formation. Apparently the train couldn't continue to Shrewsbury because the station had closed!
 

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142s/143s have also turned up on the Heart of Wales line as far as Llandrindod, but due to the crew switching there, it couldn't go any further North.

I have read before that pacers are cleared for north of Craven Arms if not the leading or trailing unit. I.e. the centre of a 6 car formation. No idea if this is true. A poster previously wrote that a 14x made it to Church Stretton on a late night special service after a sporting event as it was in the middle of a three unit formation. Apparently the train couldn't continue to Shrewsbury because the station had closed!
interesting to hear!
 

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142-081 has come back to Carmarthen to do the 1854 Cardiff Central :D 158-841 left at 1840-1841 for Pembroke Dock! Yeah 158s cover for 150s sometimes as well...

The switching round is quite unusual to me, though as I've since found out not in Wales!

142s/143s have also turned up on the Heart of Wales line as far as Llandrindod, but due to the crew switching there, it couldn't go any further North.

I have read before that pacers are cleared for north of Craven Arms if not the leading or trailing unit. I.e. the centre of a 6 car formation. No idea if this is true. A poster previously wrote that a 14x made it to Church Stretton on a late night special service after a sporting event as it was in the middle of a three unit formation. Apparently the train couldn't continue to Shrewsbury because the station had closed!

Well I suppose it at least means TfW can cover with almost anything if needed.

Saturday is a wierd day :p

Isn't half! Just generally.
 

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(Holyhead is in North Wales - Pacers aren't even signed by Shrewsbury crew let alone North Wales crew)

Well it's on the west coast to be fair ;)
Wales is commonly subdivided into three regions*, North, South and West. West Wales in this instance would (very) roughly be the triangle formed by Aberystwyth, Fishguard, and Llanelli, with the rest of Wales being split between North and South. Some would add Mid-Wales as a fourth region.

*moreso in English than in Welsh, I find. In Welsh, one is likely to use the old shire or county names, such as Dyfed, Sir Drefaldwn, etc, even though don't match up to local council names.
 

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Wales is commonly subdivided into three regions*, North, South and West. West Wales in this instance would (very) roughly be the triangle formed by Aberystwyth, Fishguard, and Llanelli, with the rest of Wales being split between North and South. Some would add Mid-Wales as a fourth region.

*moreso in English than in Welsh, I find. In Welsh, one is likely to use the old shire or county names, such as Dyfed, Sir Drefaldwn, etc, even though don't match up to local council names.

I just took Holyhead to be West Wales as it's the gateway to Ireland and it's pretty far west too!
 

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I just took Holyhead to be West Wales as it's the gateway to Ireland and it's pretty far west too!
I don't blame you. Personally although many pepole do call the area which contains the lines west of Carmarthen/Llanelli 'west Wales' I think south-west Wales should be the term used. I do consider the west coast right up to Holyhead to be the west of Wales.
 

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The ex GWR 153s are being restricted to certain diagrams that keep them close to Cardiff in the short term. This is due to a technical issue with these particular units. It's nothing to do with the engines as was suggested by another poster a while back but a totally separate issue that should be fixed next month.
 
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