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PHILIPE

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That's a strange movement as it then immediately forms the 0900 to Treherbert, but 153s are not allowed north of Radyr, so the 153 must have been detached at Central

Normally the Cardiff Bay Shuttle on a Sunday starts ex Cardiff Central at 0854 but today was amended to start at Queen St for some reason (perhaps local Engineering Work restricting movements) and the unit comes off Canton attached to the 0900 to Treherbert. Today, due to the Bay starting ex Queen St the stock had to do this maneuver in order to drop the Bay unit off at Queen St.
 

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Is the Saturday Pembroke Dock 158 officially booked to be a 158 or is it a 150 with a 158 covering? I have noticed a 158 on Pembroke Dock services on a Saturday often. There must be less 158s required for Birmingham-Holyhead etc on a Saturday as there is a 158 on a Manchester-South Wales diagram also plus I think the regular three 158 South Wales diagrams are still 158s on Saturday.

I wonder where else we will see the 153s now they have more of them. Assume the ex GWR ones will do Cardiff Bay/Ebbw Vale/City Line etc if they need to be kept close to Cardiff. I wonder if the others might double up on Pembroke Dock to free up 150s to cover for shortage of units elsewhere

Is the Liverpool services expected to be 150s or 175s? I don't think we have officially heard what they are booked to be? Ive heard that 175s have been running to Liverpool on test runs.
 

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The ex GWR 153s are being restricted to certain diagrams that keep them close to Cardiff in the short term. This is due to a technical issue with these particular units. It's nothing to do with the engines as was suggested by another poster a while back but a totally separate issue that should be fixed next month.
Quite asite from any specific technical issue that you know of, it makes sense to me to keep recently-acquired second hand stock on a short leash, until the mechanics are confident that there no more surprises waiting for them.
 

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Is the Liverpool services expected to be 150s or 175s? I don't think we have officially heard what they are booked to be? Ive heard that 175s have been running to Liverpool on test runs.
The expectation is that it'll be 150s more often than not in the medium term, subject to TfW's current random-unit-generator due to stock shortages.

Naturally, the launch-day diagram was operated by a refurbished 158 in TfW colours today, to impress the local dignitaries, and for the benefit of the press photographers taking stock photos.
 

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I don't blame you. Personally although many pepole do call the area which contains the lines west of Carmarthen/Llanelli 'west Wales' I think south-west Wales should be the term used. I do consider the west coast right up to Holyhead to be the west of Wales.

If I was splitting it up, Holyhead would be North-West Wales and Fishguard South-West. Aberystwyth is more mid-West iirc.
 

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The ex GWR 153s are being restricted to certain diagrams that keep them close to Cardiff in the short term. This is due to a technical issue with these particular units. It's nothing to do with the engines as was suggested by another poster a while back but a totally separate issue that should be fixed next month.
Interesting to hear - I'm curious to know what that technical issue is! It does however mean that I should have no problem seeing them in Cardiff when I'm there on Monday :)
 

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Is the Saturday Pembroke Dock 158 officially booked to be a 158 or is it a 150 with a 158 covering? I have noticed a 158 on Pembroke Dock services on a Saturday often. There must be less 158s required for Birmingham-Holyhead etc on a Saturday as there is a 158 on a Manchester-South Wales diagram also plus I think the regular three 158 South Wales diagrams are still 158s on Saturday.

I wonder where else we will see the 153s now they have more of them. Assume the ex GWR ones will do Cardiff Bay/Ebbw Vale/City Line etc if they need to be kept close to Cardiff. I wonder if the others might double up on Pembroke Dock to free up 150s to cover for shortage of units elsewhere

Is the Liverpool services expected to be 150s or 175s? I don't think we have officially heard what they are booked to be? Ive heard that 175s have been running to Liverpool on test runs.

The Saturday Pembroke Docks 158s are from the 3 working in South Wales with different workings from Monday to Fridays. A different set of diagrams operate on a Saturday. The Liverpools are booked for 150s but today, the 2 allocations were a 158 and a 150.
 

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Cannot understand why TfW put lower
speed units ie. a 150 on a diagram where
it should be a 175.
There must be a loss of time if the unit
isn't capable of running at line speed
At 90mph stretches the 150 will only do 70.
Asking for problems!
 

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Cannot understand why TfW put lower
speed units ie. a 150 on a diagram where
it should be a 175.
There must be a loss of time if the unit
isn't capable of running at line speed
At 90mph stretches the 150 will only do 70.
Asking for problems!

You could cancel the train if there is no 175 available.
 

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It would appear that 175-107's centre car has been reinstated; is this the case...?
 

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Cannot understand why TfW put lower
speed units ie. a 150 on a diagram where
it should be a 175.

Very simple reason, as Philippe points out

You could cancel the train if there is no 175 available.

They're really not doing it just for fun. They simply have no choice.

There must be a loss of time if the unit
isn't capable of running at line speed
At 90mph stretches the 150 will only do 70.
Asking for problems!

75mph top speed. They really don't lose add much time as you'd expect. The fact that they're quicker at loading and unloading passengers helps a bit. A typical Manchester Cardiff run loses about 10 minutes with a 150 over a 175. And whilst it's not perfect - it's better then just cancelling a train all together surely?
 

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70 or 75 is still not 90 on a 90mph route.
Although i agree its better than cancelling a service.
It just looks like very little seems to be getting done in their current crisis of shortages.
And those problems wont go away by doing nothing about it.
Why have the 175s become problematic?
Probably something to do with them running 20hrs a day every day,although not now it seems lol.

Isn't there any off lease stock they could use? Surely West Wales-Cardiff services could utilise short HST's that have come off lease.
In the current crisis,I can see the Pacers working beyond their 31st Dec 2019 withdrawal date.
Something drastically needs to be done or ...its plod on as usual!
 

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70 or 75 is still not 90 on a 90mph route.
Although i agree its better than cancelling a service.
It just looks like very little seems to be getting done in their current crisis of shortages.
And those problems wont go away by doing nothing about it.
Why have the 175s become problematic?
Probably something to do with them running 20hrs a day every day,although not now it seems lol.

Isn't there any off lease stock they could use? Surely West Wales-Cardiff services could utilise short HST's that have come off lease.
In the current crisis,I can see the Pacers working beyond their 31st Dec 2019 withdrawal date.
Something drastically needs to be done or ...its plod on as usual!

What wonderful ideas. You should suggest them to TfW, clearly they've never been considered....
 
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