northernchris
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Advances do help to fill seats on quieter trains, and with new services such as Leeds - Chester can help attract new custom
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Advances do help to fill seats on quieter trains, and with new services such as Leeds - Chester can help attract new custom
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faltskog36abba
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I think once the service has become established the prices will even out. As -northernchris stated it gets seats filled on quiet services. This happens on the Leeds via Bradford service -where a day return from Manchester Victoria to Leeds can cost as little as six pounds compared to trans Pennine at 20 odd pounds. I have been to London on virgin trains In the past on quieter trains for 15-25 return, What I don't like is the latter company charging whatever they like in the peaks.
Although it's likely to be rammed Leeds - Halifax already.
Although perhaps that's why they've put it 8 minutes after the previous service.
Some very unexpected examples of fast new journeys that can be made using the new services are attached. Some impressive improvements have been achieved, in particular with regards to connections at Warrington Bank Quay.
- Edinburgh to Bangor (Gwynedd)
- Swansea to Bradford Interchange
- Aberdeen to Llandudno
- Bradford Interchange to Birmingham New Street
- Manchester Victoria to Wrexham General
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They've replied very early this morning saying they've accidentally not uploaded it and I should look on National Rail until they've resolved it.
https://twitter.com/northernassist/status/1129985559651397632?s=19
Xenophon PCDGS
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What an inept reply to your query...
How is the Twitter reply inept? It clearly explains exactly what has happened.
That's a bit harsh. They answered the question as best they could, explained what's gone wrong, and where the information can be found until the mistake is put right. I'm not sure what more you think the Twitter team could have done?What an inept reply to your query...
The Manchester - Chester section is shown in leaflet no. 15, which is described as "Liverpool to Manchester Airport and Warrington Bank Quay via Earlestown (includes Helsby to Ellesmere Port)" but includes both the Northern and TfW services to/from Chester. The complete Chester - Leeds service doesn't appear anywhere, as far as I can see.
berneyarms
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You need to look at both booklets 15 and 36 to figure out the times.
"On National Rail" is rather vague.
They also don't seem to have forgotten to upload the timetable - they appear to have forgotten to create one at all (for the public).
Now they've given me a link to timetable 36. Which shows which services go to Chester but gives no indications of timings beyond Manchester.
So far as I can find, stations along the Calder Valley stock timetable 36, but not 15.
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Glenn1969
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Table 15 is Chester to Manchester. Table 36 is Manchester to Leeds. Guess we need them both to get the full timetable
I realise that (and it was pointed out in post #161. Not having Timetable 15 available at stations along the route isn't great for publicity (although actually having it in one timetable would be obvious to most people).
Glenn1969
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I know. I suppose we can access Timetable 15 online
transmanche
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RTT says they are timed for 90mph and Class 158s. Whilst this is not a usually reliable indicator of what stock will run a service, do Northern have any 90mph-capable DMUs other than 158s?
61653 HTAFC
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Just the 170s, which AIUI aren't cleared for Calder Valley as yet anyway (if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will let me know). If a 158 is unavailable it'll either be cancelled or a slower unit (most likely a 150/156) will fill in if they can keep the timings.
berneyarms
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Table 15 is here:
https://d2cf7kiw5xizhy.cloudfront.n...wn-includes-helsby-to-ellesmere-port-2351.pdf
Table 36 is here:
https://d2cf7kiw5xizhy.cloudfront.n...righouse-and-manchester-to-blackburn-2347.pdf
This kind of thing has happened before when services across two routes not previously directly connected have been merged. I’d expect there will be some rejigging of the booklets in due course.
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bunnahabhain
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Operator Specific tickets are badly implemented and regularly purchased by people who have little clue they're operator specific, who then find themselves being charged for a new ticket or invited to wait for a train provided by the company they have paid for.
They really need not only a completely different name to those of the any operator tickets, but potentially a different type of stock as well. There is also the regular problem of everybodjes favourite cowboy the Trainline not providing a decent amount of info on ticket types before purchase, and TVMs not explicitly staying if you buy your Northern Only fare, then you can only take the Poverty Pacer, rather than the Transpennine Express.
Iskra
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Yes, I had one earlier in the month.
They are creeping into Yorkshire a lot more now, as I've also had one from Sheffield.
It is possibly due to 158's transferring to Heaton.
thejuggler
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My Man Vic service this morning was a 156 attached to an ex Scotrail 158 pair.
Yeah, they're very common - have been for a few years (since before Arriva took over the franchise) on services from Wigan/Southport that extend up the Calder Valley.
absolutelymilk
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Anyone know what the loadings were like on the Chester to Victoria part or on the TfW Chester to Picadilly services?
Greybeard33
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158s are temporarily required for the 90mph WCML services from Barrow and Windermere to Manchester Airport, now that Northern is no longer hiring in 185s from TPE. It appears that one failed at Staveley this morning:
https://www.northernrailway.co.uk/disruption/279
195s will be taking over these routes once they enter service.
These tickets cause all sorts of problems for the unwary (non-enthusiast?) passenger. A screen shot from National Rail Enquiries for a simple journey from Lancaster to Preston and back same day gives three prices all described as "anytime" fares, "fully flexible with no time restrictions". In fact, one is a TPE fare, one is Virgin and only the most expensive is indeed "fully flexible". Only by clicking on the small print and then reading all the way to the end do you notice they are operator-specific. If the booking clerk at Lancaster is to fulfil the duty of ensuring the passenger gets the best value fare he/she should presumably interrogate them not just on which train they intend to catch to Preston but also which they intend to return on. Fortunately, Northern don't have their own fare as well! Sorry for getting off topic; perhaps this should be a new thread.
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Regulars now on the route since May 2018 timetable change
LNW-GW Joint
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I was on the 1107 Victoria-Chester and there were about 30 on board - including some who didn't alight at Vic which is good to see.
Several off and on at Warrington BQ - some better connections there than with TfW.
This was a 3-car consist, 153+158, so no speeding over 75.
Other trains on the circuit I saw were 2-car 158s, with a similar load.
Close to time, on a very slack schedule.
Several Northern crew members on board, learning the route.
Very odd seeing stops like New Pudsey and Mytholmroyd on the departure board at Chester.
The Victoria departure board had everything "On Time", so it seems like a good day all round, unlike a year ago.
TfW trains seemed as busy as ever (2-car 175s mainly, there were 3x3-car 175s parked up at Chester depot, never a good sign).
The worst thing I saw all day was the TPE Scarborough service with its PIS stuck on "preinst.aborted" throughout the train.
Which reminds me, there was no electronic PIS on either the Victoria-Chester train or Chester-Liverpool later. Manual announcements only.
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