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Halton Curve upgrade is on

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M28361M

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150284 is the other unit on the service today. I rode the 158 on the 0949 from Liverpool to Chester (first train from Liverpool) and then the 150 on the 1347 departure from Chester.

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Slight hiccup at Lime Street this morning (not TfW's fault) was a power failure which didn't affect train running but knocked out many of the station facilities, including the ticket office, ticket machines and the customer information screens. Was hoping for a special message or something on the departure boards, but they were all blank instead!

The guard was careful to announce before leaving Liverpool that Merseytravel tickets were only valid between Lime Street and South Parkway. A similar announcement was made on the return journey before leaving Chester (I think it was the same guard). Hopefully there won't be too many people caught out.

The customer information screens of the units do not seem to have the new route programmed in yet, on both the 158 and the 150 it just scrolled "Transport for Wales" (and Welsh translation) throughout the journey.

The turnaround time at Chester seems very short, but it seems there is a longer layover at the Lime Street end.

Plenty of interest in the new service - lots of people got on at Frodsham in particular. I also saw a couple laden with luggage travelling from Chester to South Parkway, no doubt grateful to have a direct train.

There didn't seem to be much fanfare around the service that I could see today. I gather there will be a proper launch of the service tomorrow with various dignitaries in attendance. I wouldn't be surprised if the 158 (or a 175) shows up again.
 
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given the hammering the Wrexham portion seems to have had in social media and the press perhaps it would be best to just keep it chester - Liverpool and give that a proper hourly service until the new trains and timetables come in a couple of years

It does give TfW some valuable PR to introduce a direct Wrexham-Liverpool service.
I'm not sure there was ever a direct service in GWR or BR days.
The long-standing Wrexham-Birkenhead Woodside service via Hooton was cut back to Chester in 1967 with the general downgrading of the Paddington route.
These things matter in Cardiff Bay as much as in NE Wales.
But it is a pity they couldn't find another unit for the 1830 Chester-Liverpool and return from Lime St.

There is also a gap at that time in the hourly Chester-Leeds service starting tomorrow, because that particular train (1707 ex Manchester Victoria, would be 1820 from Chester) is diverted to Ellesmere Port.
 

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The turnaround time at Chester seems very short, but it seems there is a longer layover at the Lime Street end.

Were the turnaround times at each end equal the units would be scheduled to pass at the Liverpool end of the single line (Halton Junction), with obvious potential for conflict. As it is there is a theoretical (at least) ten minutes breathing space in between.
 

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But it is a pity they couldn't find another unit for the 1830 Chester-Liverpool and return from Lime St.

The unit off 1D40 (1715 ex-Manchester Piccadilly, due Chester 1819) could do an 1830 Chester to Liverpool, etc, vice 1H94 1851 Chester to Manchester Airport.
The unit off 1D62 (1823 ex-Crewe, due Chester 1846), could do 1H94 vice 1K64 1855 Chester to Crewe.
The unit off 1W18 (1510 ex-Swansea, due Chester 1905) could do a retimed 1K64. (Isn't this what happened for a while recently, when there was a shortage of units?)
If important to operate 1K66 (1955 Chester to Crewe) at its established time, the unit off 1D70 (1839 ex-Llandudno Junction, due Chester 1930) could be used, instead of it going off to depot - but 1K66 would be pretty well on time anyway by that time, I think.

I appreciate that 1D40 is probably diagrammed for a 175/1, but I presume 175s are cleared for Liverpools - weren't they seen on crew-training trips?
 

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Just been checking some single fares for comparison.

Chester to Runcorn is approx 13 miles.
Chester to Runcorn East approx 12 miles.

Runcorn East to Frodsham £3.40
Runcorn to Frodsham £5.10

Runcorn East to Helsby £4.40
Runcorn to Helsby £5.50

Runcorn East to Chester £8.50
Runcorn to Chester £5.70

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They had the usual dignitaries at Wrexham this morning including Ken Skates. If it was an hourly service to and from Wrexham, i would understand the fuss about it all. Commuters have already worked out that its quicker on the other routes.
 

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They had the usual dignitaries at Wrexham this morning including Ken Skates. If it was an hourly service to and from Wrexham, i would understand the fuss about it all. Commuters have already worked out that its quicker on the other routes.
Did they make him use a 150 or did they pull a 158/175 for his journey
 

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Was looking at fares to Frodsham from Crewe on brfares earlier and spotted a curiosity. There's a "Route: ANY PERMITTED" off peak day return for £12.50, or there's a "Route: VIA MANCHESTER" for £14.50. So, a more restrictive ticket costs more? I'm a bit lost on why this ticket exists, especially from Crewe you can change at either Chester and now Runcorn via Halton Curve to get there...
 

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Was looking at fares to Frodsham from Crewe on brfares earlier and spotted a curiosity. There's a "Route: ANY PERMITTED" off peak day return for £12.50, or there's a "Route: VIA MANCHESTER" for £14.50. So, a more restrictive ticket costs more? I'm a bit lost on why this ticket exists, especially from Crewe you can change at either Chester and now Runcorn via Halton Curve to get there...

Manchester is not a "Permitted route", so to travel that way you need to pay a little extra over the cost of an "any permitted". I'm not sure why anyone would want to go that way mind, given it takes twice as long.
 

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The unit off 1D40 (1715 ex-Manchester Piccadilly, due Chester 1819) could do an 1830 Chester to Liverpool, etc, vice 1H94 1851 Chester to Manchester Airport.
The unit off 1D62 (1823 ex-Crewe, due Chester 1846), could do 1H94 vice 1K64 1855 Chester to Crewe.
The unit off 1W18 (1510 ex-Swansea, due Chester 1905) could do a retimed 1K64. (Isn't this what happened for a while recently, when there was a shortage of units?)
If important to operate 1K66 (1955 Chester to Crewe) at its established time, the unit off 1D70 (1839 ex-Llandudno Junction, due Chester 1930) could be used, instead of it going off to depot - but 1K66 would be pretty well on time anyway by that time, I think.

I appreciate that 1D40 is probably diagrammed for a 175/1, but I presume 175s are cleared for Liverpools - weren't they seen on crew-training trips?
1D70 goes off to the depot for fuel which it really needs, then straight off to do the 205x?? (I forget the time) Manchester. It’s quite a tight turnaround.
 

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There's a TfW kiosk on the concourse at Lime St with timetables and sweets.
Chester greets you with some messy construction work, and squeezes passengers for both new services ( Liverpool and Leeds) onto the remote ends of P5/6.
Off-peak loads for both services quite light, but certainly worthwhile.

I was on the 150 from Chester, the other unit was a smart rebranded 158.
Ken Skates was on Wales news this morning at Wrexham to launch the service.
Both Liverpool and Leeds services seem to have started well.
On time departure boards pretty much everywhere.
 
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weren't 158-822 and 150-284 the units used...?

I think it was a 158 that was used. A photo was taken of a couple of councillors and it looked like the interior of one.

158822 and 150284 were the units in use yesterday (Sunday). Rich.davies was referring to this morning, when there was a sort of official send-off from Wrexham.

Oops! Beaten by M28361M. No point in deleting the above, now, I don't suppose..
 

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1D70 goes off to the depot for fuel which it really needs, then straight off to do the 205x?? (I forget the time) Manchester. It’s quite a tight turnaround.

To be fair, I did make it clear that it was doubtful whether the involvement of 1D70 would be needed.
 

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158822 and 150284 were the units in use yesterday (Sunday). Rich.davies was referring to this morning, when there was a sort of official send-off from Wrexham.

Oops! Beaten by M28361M. No point in deleting the above, now, I don't suppose..

158826, as already mentioned, and 150237 are the units today
 

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I went today a 150 going 158 coming back from Lime Street to Frodsham. Fair few passengers on both services. Already passengers with suitcases getting off at South Parkway for the airport on the Liverpool bound service . Nice and clean inside both trains.
 

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The news made it into the Liverpool Echo today with a photo of some bods in front of the 158 at Lime Street.

However, as you would expect from the really poor journalism skills at the Echo, they said the Halton Curve reopened today (Monday)! :rolleyes:
 

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I went today a 150 going 158 coming back from Lime Street to Frodsham. Fair few passengers on both services. Already passengers with suitcases getting off at South Parkway for the airport on the Liverpool bound service . Nice and clean inside both trains.

Yes, even the 150 is nice inside, with sockets and USB points at the tables; it is a million times better than the refurbished Northern 150's!

And the 158 is a lot more light and airy inside than the East Midlands 158's.
 

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Yes, even the 150 is nice inside, with sockets and USB points at the tables; it is a million times better than the refurbished Northern 150's!

And the 158 is a lot more light and airy inside than the East Midlands 158's.

I.enjoyed both. Staff were v good too.informative . Ticket machine at Frodsham not offering best fares ( ie via Runcorn only ). Told ticket inspector, he was going to pass on info.
 

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Yes, even the 150 is nice inside, with sockets and USB points at the tables; it is a million times better than the refurbished Northern 150's!

And the 158 is a lot more light and airy inside than the East Midlands 158's.
which 150 are you referring to, 284 or 237...?

and it's crazy how time flies, the 2011-2012 ATW 158 full interior refurb is itself showing its age somewhat, though that probably isn't as noticeable to people not familiar with 818-841!
 
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