ATW/Keolis Amey Wales stock shortages

Honest Ross · 20 May 2019

This morning I’ve seen 2 153s run I h the Ebbw Vale service from Bridgend (one of them the new FGW liveried one) and the new TFW liveried 153 doing Cardiff Bay shuttle.

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craigybagel · 20 May 2019

6Gtraincrew said:
According to Genius the new CTR-LIV services don't exist, so it's not exactly 100% accurate.

So it doesn't. Good to know.

Honest Ross said:
This morning I’ve seen 2 153s run I h the Ebbw Vale service from Bridgend (one of them the new FGW liveried one) and the new TFW liveried 153 doing Cardiff Bay shuttle.

There are effectively 4 diagrams that the units may be allocated to. You've mentioned two of them - the others are a City Line diagram and one that covers a Swanline in the morning on it's own and an Ebbw Vale in the afternoon (coupled to another unit). That's not to say that those diagrams will only see the ex GWR 153s, but for now those are the only diagrams those units are meant to be allocated to.

anamyd · 20 May 2019

Honest Ross said:
This morning I’ve seen 2 153s run I h the Ebbw Vale service from Bridgend (one of them the new FGW liveried one) and the new TFW liveried 153 doing Cardiff Bay shuttle.

Thanks for the info

anamyd · 20 May 2019

Currently on the 1208 Manchester Piccadilly from Carmarthen to Cardiff Central and it's worked by 150-262 - I rarely ride 150s... I'm sitting in an "airline" bay on an aisle seat and my right leg goes over into the window seat space and my left leg sticks out into the aisle/gangway - I know I'm 6' 3" but I didn't realise how bad the legroom was on these! A passenger I was chatting with also commented on the poor legroom and he's shorter than me, though not as short as the person in front of him who literally fits entirely within the spec it seems

Jez · 20 May 2019

craigybagel said:
So it doesn't. Good to know.

There are effectively 4 diagrams that the units may be allocated to. You've mentioned two of them - the others are a City Line diagram and one that covers a Swanline in the morning on it's own and an Ebbw Vale in the afternoon (coupled to another unit). That's not to say that those diagrams will only see the ex GWR 153s, but for now those are the only diagrams those units are meant to be allocated to.

thanks for the info. Before the ex gwr 153s arrived there were 8 153s in 7 diagrams I think which included cardiff bay, city line etc. Where are these 'extra' 153s now that the ex gwr ones have displaced them?

Cardiff123 · 20 May 2019

anamyd said:
Currently on the 1208 Manchester Piccadilly from Carmarthen to Cardiff Central and it's worked by 150-262 - I rarely ride 150s... I'm sitting in an "airline" bay on an aisle seat and my right leg goes over into the window seat space and my left leg sticks out into the aisle/gangway - I know I'm 6' 3" but I didn't realise how bad the legroom was on these! A passenger I was chatting with also commented on the poor legroom and he's shorter than me, though not as short as the person in front of him who literally fits entirely within the spec it seems

How on earth is the entire 150 fleet meant to be PRM ready for 1st January when they are stuck covering for 175s on long distance services?

craigybagel · 20 May 2019

Jez said:
thanks for the info. Before the ex gwr 153s arrived there were 8 153s in 7 diagrams I think which included cardiff bay, city line etc. Where are these 'extra' 153s now that the ex gwr ones have displaced them?

I'm not sure exactly as I don't know thy diagrams in South Wales well enough to work out what's changed. It does appear that they now have 10 153s diagrammed every day however, albeit one of those diagrams has a 143 on it today (Pembroke Dock).

anamyd · 20 May 2019

craigybagel said:
I'm not sure exactly as I don't know thy diagrams in South Wales well enough to work out what's changed. It does appear that they now have 10 153s diagrammed every day however, albeit one of those diagrams has a 143 on it today (Pembroke Dock).

I've just seen a third "Transport for First Wales Great Western" liveried 153 (369) on the City Line, so possibly 11 out of 13 153s in passenger service now...?

anamyd · 20 May 2019

Cardiff123 said:
How on earth is the entire 150 fleet meant to be PRM ready for 1st January when they are stuck covering for 175s on long distance services?

Worrying isn't it...

anamyd · 20 May 2019

craigybagel said:
Interesting. Genius is still showing it as a 2 car, I've not actually seen it physically since last week.

it is still a 2 car. just seen it at Central.

anamyd · 20 May 2019

...and now I'm on the 1604 Fishguard Harbour from Cardiff Central back to Carmarthen, worked by 150-245 which of course is that oddball one still with the original square door buttons

anamyd · 20 May 2019

I saw 254 with PRM mods at Central before getting on.

ATW158Xpress · 20 May 2019

craigybagel said:
I'm not sure exactly as I don't know thy diagrams in South Wales well enough to work out what's changed. It does appear that they now have 10 153s diagrammed every day however, albeit one of those diagrams has a 143 on it today (Pembroke Dock).

There also one 153 on the 13:45 2L59 Cheltenham Spa - Maesteg service which normally booked 150 diagram.

craigybagel · 20 May 2019

323 Class said:
Seen 175107 Friday morning and it was a 3 car going through Oxford Road Manchester.

Saw 107 today - still a 2 car.

anamyd · 20 May 2019

craigybagel said:
Saw 107 today - still a 2 car.

So when I saw it today it was a 2 car, and when you saw it today it was a 2 car - well done :lol:

craigybagel · 20 May 2019

anamyd said:
it is still a 2 car. just seen it at Central.

anamyd said:
So when I saw it today it was a 2 car, and when you saw it today it was a 2 car - well done

Yes sorry about that, didn't realise until after I'd posted :lol:

Jez · 20 May 2019

anamyd said:
I've just seen a third "Transport for First Wales Great Western" liveried 153 (369) on the City Line, so possibly 11 out of 13 153s in passenger service now...?

Does the City Line still have 3 diagrams? Is it still 1 x 153 and 2 x pacers? I know this diagram changes a lot as for a while we had 2 x 153 and a pacer. Someone on twitter was complaining today that a single 153 was working on the city line and they just did the usual reply that by 2022/2023 there will be new trains.

craigybagel · 20 May 2019

Jez said:
Does the City Line still have 3 diagrams? Is it still 1 x 153 and 2 x pacers? I know this diagram changes a lot as for a while we had 2 x 153 and a pacer. Someone on twitter was complaining today that a single 153 was working on the city line and they just did the usual reply that by 2022/2023 there will be new trains.

Judging by the diagram numbers, it is indeed 2 14x and a 153. As mentioned above, the 153 diagram is one of those suitable for the ex GWR units.

Plethora · 20 May 2019

anamyd said:
Currently on the 1208 Manchester Piccadilly from Carmarthen to Cardiff Central and it's worked by 150-262 - I rarely ride 150s... I'm sitting in an "airline" bay on an aisle seat and my right leg goes over into the window seat space and my left leg sticks out into the aisle/gangway - I know I'm 6' 3" but I didn't realise how bad the legroom was on these! A passenger I was chatting with also commented on the poor legroom and he's shorter than me, though not as short as the person in front of him who literally fits entirely within the spec it seems

Yes, they really are awful. It's not worthy of being called legroom. I happened to take a 170 today and I was worried about legroom having seen some of the reviews on here. Clearly passengers south of Birmingham are spoiled - it was a fantastic diesel unit by Northern (and TFW) standards, and the legroom was absolutely fine. Certain 150s (and some 156s too if I recall correctly) are the absolute worst for this.

Hopefully the mark 4 rakes will allow the 150s to go off for mods. I wouldn't expect the seating layout to change though.

PHILIPE · 20 May 2019

Plethora said:
Yes, they really are awful. It's not worthy of being called legroom. I happened to take a 170 today and I was worried about legroom having seen some of the reviews on here. Clearly passengers south of Birmingham are spoiled - it was a fantastic diesel unit by Northern (and TFW) standards, and the legroom was absolutely fine. Certain 150s (and some 156s too if I recall correctly) are the absolute worst for this.

Hopefully the mark 4 rakes will allow the 150s to go off for mods. I wouldn't expect the seating layout to change though.

The Mark 4 rakes have nothing to do with 150 PRM Mods

anamyd · 20 May 2019

craigybagel said:
Yes sorry about that, didn't realise until after I'd posted

just not acceptable! (only messing of course)

anamyd · 20 May 2019

Jez said:
Someone on twitter was complaining today that a single 153 was working on the city line and they just did the usual reply that by 2022/2023 there will be new trains.

I saw that, young lad standing in one of the vestibules and the saloon looked pretty packed as well. And very odd to say by 2022/2023 when there are 170s and 230s coming in during 2019, and the 769s seem to be picking up as well with 002 now inside Canton depot and 008 where 002 was, in the sidings (anyone know what the situation is with the fixes for the issues with the bogies and exhaust pipes...?)

anamyd · 20 May 2019

Plethora said:
Yes, they really are awful. It's not worthy of being called legroom. I happened to take a 170 today and I was worried about legroom having seen some of the reviews on here. Clearly passengers south of Birmingham are spoiled - it was a fantastic diesel unit by Northern (and TFW) standards, and the legroom was absolutely fine. Certain 150s (and some 156s too if I recall correctly) are the absolute worst for this.

Really looking forward to the Wales & Borders franchise getting 170s for the first time later this year, I do like 170s for their quirks / character

(the 158 in my avatar is more a nostalgic thing)

Jez · 20 May 2019

craigybagel said:
I'm not sure exactly as I don't know thy diagrams in South Wales well enough to work out what's changed. It does appear that they now have 10 153s diagrammed every day however, albeit one of those diagrams has a 143 on it today (Pembroke Dock).

It seems like more 153s are working services on the Ebbw Vale line today possibly as a replacements for 150s that are going on the Liverpool service?

anamyd said:
I saw that, young lad standing in one of the vestibules and the saloon looked pretty packed as well. And very odd to say by 2022/2023 when there are 170s and 230s coming in during 2019, and the 769s seem to be picking up as well with 002 now inside Canton depot and 008 where 002 was, in the sidings (anyone know what the situation is with the fixes for the issues with the bogies and exhaust pipes...?)

I think they mean 2022 or 2023 (I forget which it was they said!) is when new trains will be on the City Line. They said it will be operated by a mixture of 150s and 153s once the pacers are gone, until we get the new trains.

I don't know why so many people seem to dislike the 170s. I travelled on one recently on a journey from Birmingham New Street to Newport (changed there for TFW train to go further west which was a 158 as it happened). I found the 170 perfectly comfortable for a fairly long distance journey. The position of the doors is good as when everyone gets on at New Street at least you have a choice of 2 ways to go to try and get a seat.

anamyd · 20 May 2019

Jez said:
I think they mean 2022 or 2023 (I forget which it was they said!) is when new trains will be on the City Line. They said it will be operated by a mixture of 150s and 153s once the pacers are gone, until we get the new trains.

Oh right yeah, I thought the 2022-2023 thing was just the standard response. I remember one reply saying "I can't wait 4 years!"

Plethora · 20 May 2019

PHILIPE said:
The Mark 4 rakes have nothing to do with 150 PRM Mods

*sigh* Being a new member in this forum is hard work.

Kindly assume I would like you to elaborate when correcting me in order that I should ascertain what their true purpose is.

anamyd · 20 May 2019

TT-ONR-NRN said:
They will need to have the thick strip of grey that runs along the bottom of the train removed I assume? However, as the livery is pretty similar maybe Transport for Wales will just want them in service as quick as possible.

The sooner they are released from Greater Anglia the better and then Transport for Wales will be relieved of a bit of stress at least

have you seen the 3 "Transport for First Wales Great Western" liveried 153s...?

And the 170s are due to transfer in October - by then there should be enough 755s in service to displace them...?

47550 · 21 May 2019

Lucky punters on the 9.31 Manchester Picc to Carmarthen have a 150 for the 5 hour trip again today. 150208 doing the honours.

PaulHarding150 · 21 May 2019

Plethora said:
*sigh* Being a new member in this forum is hard work.

Yup. And it's not just hard work for new members sometimes :-/

323 Class · 21 May 2019

craigybagel said:
Yes sorry about that, didn't realise until after I'd posted

I think I should go to Specsavers, I was on a moving train going the opposite way and obviously miscounted.

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