Seemed to be on the circuit that involves the 1824 Cambridge-Brighton (so the 1702ish northwards from St Pancras).
Mentally noted.
By my mental maths puts it also on the 0724 off Cambridge (0830ish St P) in the morning.
Also duly noted.
Could someone advise which Bedford services will be 8-car operated Monday to Friday from the new timetable ?
A list was provided on the old timetable thread but I can't find it now.
Yes, not imagined. Both GTR's bid proposal and Network Rail RUS showed 2tph "all day" to Cambridge, but with different south bank routings. I guess the question is: does "all day" include evenings?In the Thameslink consultation, I’m sure I recall the Brighton<>Cambridge services as being 2tph all evening south of the Thames, but they currently reduce to 1tph after the PM peak. I haven’t got a copy of the consultation proposals, so can anyone tell me if I imagined this or not. The reason I ask is because I’m a shift worker and the times of the 2nd Cambridge services would fit in well with some of my work start/finish times. Thanks.
Finsbury Park station closed?
Wasn't it always intended on at least one day of the weekend for rainham services to only go to Kentish town ?I just wish they hurry up and bring back the terminators at Luton on Saturdays and have 2tph between London and Luton as well 2tph between London and Bedford.
Would be good if the East Croydon to Milton Keynes Southern service were to transfer to Thameslink.
Service could be operated by 8-car 700/0 stock, with additional order for 12-car 700/1 stock as replacement on MML & GN.
Southern could then utilise displaced 377 stock to strengthen existing 8-car services to 12-car.
It doesn't go through the Thameslink core, and aside from a small section at the south end it doesn't serve anywhere in Thameslink territory.
In fair honesty same could be said for incumbent Southern....It doesn't go through the Thameslink core, and aside from a small section at the south end it doesn't serve anywhere in Thameslink territory.
8 car stock could be provided all day by Southern just as easily, and it could also be run half hourly by Southern. Both have been proposed already in route utilisation studies. In any case, changing the responsible TOC doesn’t automatically guarantee change if rolling stock, especially if it’s almost brand new...Would be good if the East Croydon to Milton Keynes Southern service were to transfer to Thameslink.
Service could be operated by 8-car 700/0 stock, with additional order for 12-car 700/1 stock as replacement on MML & GN.
Southern could then utilise displaced 377 stock to strengthen existing 8-car services to 12-car.
The 4car 377/2 get used off peak on other services and the 5car 377/7 used off peak on WLL services get used on 10 car SN metro services during the peaks.Would be good if the East Croydon to Milton Keynes Southern service were to transfer to Thameslink.
Service could be operated by 8-car 700/0 stock, with additional order for 12-car 700/1 stock as replacement on MML & GN.
Southern could then utilise displaced 377 stock to strengthen existing 8-car services to 12-car.
The 4car 377/2 get used off peak on other services and the 5car 377/7 used off peak on WLL services get used on 10 car SN metro services during the peaks.
Trains didn't stop continuing to Stevenage?Suspect car outside during the evening peak at about 1815. All cleared and reopened but the 25-30ish minute closure ruined enough driver changeovers that the house of cards collapsed (and that’s without the issues with the OHLE near Retford causing congestion).
Trains didn't stop continuing to Stevenage?
No crew change required?
I definitely think that any increases in frequency should be to Watford only. That said, it is useful in providing a semi-fast service and uplift for the likes of Wembley Central and Harrow - Bushey could be added I guess if able to be pathed, but that is more of a 'country' station in feel. So perhaps no further than Tring (or the old Hemel bay) - and it provides the local service, enabling others to skip stop a bit more.Used to be the case - but it’s an 8 car service all day now, and there’s precious little time between the shoulder-peak hours for the extra trains to go and do something useful elsewhere. They’ve suffered a fair bit of vandalism on the WLL recently (in common with many of the GTR routes, unfortunately), so they need all the time they can get on depots anyway!
At the moment, the 8 coach formations cope admirably in the peaks for the most part (bearing in mind that whilst the West London section is busy, it doesn’t cater for any main London terminals or even really any central business areas of London). In fact, they do a little too well, as they tend to cart fresh air around north of Hemel. I wouldn’t be surprised if the business case for running such long trains north of Watford is actually quite poor, especially off-peak when it really is dead quiet. In this case I wouldn’t be surprised to see a reshuffle of stock and TOC so that perhaps it does eventually run as a Watford service only. Trouble is, running past most of the Watford DC stations would make it confusing for the Overground model, LNR/WMT probably don’t want it, and Southern have long had the crews and depot space, even if it heads wildly off-area...
I imagine in December the Orpington service will go to weekends with the peak sevenoaks to welwyn being introduced enhancing the catford loop
Ashford is surely next year although the depot is there with drivers passing to sevenoaks
The rumour mill is now 2022
Unit availability not being up to required levels (still...)? Or Kings Cross rebuild politics?If the reasons for the delay are to be believed then they could, in theory, resolve it in a few weeks. I get the impression that there is more behind it than what has been reported and that there is/will be a bit of a political football being kicked around.
Unit availability not being up to required levels (still...)?
Or Kings Cross rebuild politics?
Is there any sign of "Cambridge in 45" returning or has the addition of Thameslink services killed that forever?
Irrespective of the timetabling issues, it's only just possible within the laws of physics on green signals!
I wouldn't bank on Saturday being great, driver shortages will cause numerous cancellations. These are mainly confined to the Peterborough and Moorgates at present though so Ely / Cambridge may be okay.So, tomorrow, we should finally get a sensible Saturday service back on the GN side.
Or, well, mostly. The Ely to KGX will now take about 75 minutes rather than 100. Still, compared to the about 70 minutes it took before last year, that's still a step backwards. It still sits at Cambridge for 9 minutes for no obvious reason.
Plus there is still only one stopper an hour from Cambridge. The other terminates at Royston (why?).
It will be interesting to see if GN now get business back at Cambridge that they appear to have lost over the past year to the GA Liverpool Street services. The LST trains have been much busier leaving CBG on weekends this past year than they were before.