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Thanks for your response.

As the 46 I did feel that deckers were needed, in particular at peak times. However with the Y1, Y2 and Y3 offering faster journeys and the Y4 duplicating the route taken in Yate by the Y1 and Y2 I can see why single deckers might now be more sufficient.
 
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Can't explain the sunday workings (possibly more to do with interworking) but as the 46, it was always single deck operated and I don't think was ever the plan to permanently convert the Y4 to deckers but think was more to with what was available. Could be wrong though
Suspect it might be that fleet plans changed after Wessex closed and the Bath Uni debacle. All deckers needed elsewhere so if you’re going to hide single decks, the Y4 might’ve been one of the better options.
 

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The repainted 48 buses are now at hengrove in the 75/76. Maybe this route is being branded once all the gas buses arrive at LH ?
 

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The repainted 48 buses are now at hengrove in the 75/76. Maybe this route is being branded once all the gas buses arrive at LH ?
I reckon it and any others which follow are for the A2, it is the right colour lilac.

The current branding on 37001 for the 76/76 is blue and this matches what is on the timetables. With the 76 terminating at Henbury, the lilac would probably in terms of colour be to close to the purple of the 3/4 and would confuse people.
 

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You should see it down here in Cardiff, yesterday there were more branded vehicles off-route than unbranded vehicles!
It happens in Bristol - the Mint Dart on the 178 was a real joy a few weeks ago!

At least by having some neutral vehicles (either Urban or promo liveries like m-tickets), it at least might reduce the incidence?
 

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I believe it was deliberate. JF isn’t keen on branded vehicles on the wrong route. Gives a bit of flex
Correct, they were not repainted into Excel so they could be used on any decker operated route, the same as the remaining B7 although this very rarely strays to Bristol now.

If you want to see a Badgerline vehicle off patch, head to Clevedon or Nailsea. The afternoon college X5 to Nailsea, is operated by a board which has spent the rest of the day doing 7s.
 

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Correct, they were not repainted into Excel so they could be used on any decker operated route, the same as the remaining B7 although this very rarely strays to Bristol now.

If you want to see a Badgerline vehicle off patch, head to Clevedon or Nailsea. The afternoon college X5 to Nailsea, is operated by a board which has spent the rest of the day doing 7s.

The 1705 college run ex Weston is indeed the only booked one. I’d not be keen on a Dart escaping Weston (though they’ve been good buses).
 

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Unidentified Dart in urban seen heading north through Bishopston at 17:40 this afternoon with destination '73 Willow Brook Centre'. Bus times seems to have stopped tracking buses at 08:38 this morning.
 

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The 1705 college run ex Weston is indeed the only booked one. I’d not be keen on a Dart escaping Weston (though they’ve been good buses).
It would be a decker, the Darts very rarely venture onto the 7s now other than at night. If they are short of B7s, one of the two Urban E400s are generally used, if not a Streetlite.
 

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I wasn’t meaning that board specifically - just generally (eg doing an X2/X8 in lieu of a StreetLite)
Ahh occasionally a Dart may appear as a last resort, one was out the other week. The last couple of days a B7RLE has been on them, which isn’t supposed to happen due to the length around Locking Castle and Weston Village. Particularly on the later ones due to parked cars.
 

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Ahh occasionally a Dart may appear as a last resort, one was out the other week. The last couple of days a B7RLE has been on them, which isn’t supposed to happen due to the length around Locking Castle and Weston Village. Particularly on the later ones due to parked cars.
Indeed, I’ve been on a StreetLite and it’s been up and down kerbs. Not exactly great for tyre wear!
 

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We should start to hear about the few July service changes soon! I think this year will be quite minor changes. Uni buses withdrawn for the summer and the 8 increased for the peak summer. Maybe a minor change for the A2 if it is getting very busy.

Slightly off topic! I went back to the drawing board on my ideas! And they will be back better than ever soon! (In a new thread)
 

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I see there is a consultation on the Bristol 2 here
https://www.firstgroup.com/bristol-bath-and-west/news-and-service-updates/customer-consultations

In short, they are consulting on changes to take effect from September, the options being:
- Splitting it into two halves, either at Temple Meads and Clifton with each overlapping, or in the Centre.
- Rerouting it away from Greystoke Ave & Doncaster Rd, and serving more of Southmead Rd and all of Pen Park Ave (thus serving Southmead Hospital better)
- Re-routing it via the 76 route through Henbury instead of Wyck Beck Rd
- Re-routing it via the full length of Henleaze Rd, rather than North View (inbound only).
 
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I see there is a consultation on the Bristol 2 here
https://www.firstgroup.com/bristol-bath-and-west/news-and-service-updates/customer-consultations

In short, they are consulting on changes to take effect from September, the options being:
- Splitting it into two halves, either at Temple Meads and Clifton with each overlapping, or in the Centre.
- Rerouting it away from Greystoke Ave & Doncaster Rd, and serving more of Southmead Rd and all of Pen Park Ave (thus serving Southmead Hospital better)
- Re-routing it via the 76 route through Henbury instead of Wyck Beck Rd
- Re-routing it via the full length of Henleaze Rd, rather than North View (inbound only).
Very interesting
 

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I see there is a consultation on the Bristol 2 here
https://www.firstgroup.com/bristol-bath-and-west/news-and-service-updates/customer-consultations

In short, they are consulting on changes to take effect from September, the options being:
- Splitting it into two halves, either at Temple Meads and Clifton with each overlapping, or in the Centre.
- Rerouting it away from Greystoke Ave & Doncaster Rd, and serving more of Southmead Rd and all of Pen Park Ave (thus serving Southmead Hospital better)
- Re-routing it via the 76 route through Henbury instead of Wyck Beck Rd
- Re-routing it via the full length of Henleaze Rd, rather than North View (inbound only).

The one thing not mentioned is the frequency. Do the first one and either you increase the PVR, or you keep the PVR and widen the headway? Might also question why they're looking at the 2 and not the 1? Mind you, the way traffic has increased over the last few years, you can understand why they're looking at this.
 

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As well as buses from Temple Meads, First Events were running 'park & ride' buses from Brislington, Cribbs Causeway and Portway to Ashton Gate this afternoon for the Rod Stewart concert. The same will happen for the Take That and Spice Girls concerts.
 
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You'll be pleased to know that I finally spread my wings and done a little bit of exploring around Bath today!

I started off doing a return trip up to Odd Down on the 41. This was 35110. My friend was driving so thought why not. The Streetdecks suit the route well and surprisingly seemed to handle Wellsway alright. Although I do think some more permanent fleet should be invested.

After alighting back at Southgate, I then jumped on the U1 for a run up to the university. I was expecting a plum coloured Enviro 400MMC to turn up but my lucky B9 37760 turned up, having a day off X39s. Now for those who have been lurking on here for a while you'll remember that 37760 is my lucky bus for many reasons. I have to say, it climbed Bathwick Hill marvellously and is obviously being looked after, unlike the vast majority of buses at Bath.

I had a nose around the university and noticed that the buses don't half get busy; I dread to think what it's like up there between 4 and 6 o'clock. In the short time I was there, 32637, 10037 and 33944 turned up and all three buses had a queue of around fifty people at a time, so I can see why deckers/bendis and a frequent service is required. It was interesting to compare the service and layout with UWE, where I attended.

I decided to get the U2, which was in the hands of 33943. Believe it or not this was my first time on one of the Unibus E400MMCs; a few weeks ago I'd just missed 33947 on the 19 of all routes in Kingswood. They are very nice vehicles but with only eight of them (admittedly with the B7LAs and ALX400s as back up), I wonder if it's enough? 32551 and 32637 were both operating it too.

My intention was to get off at Trowbridge House and get the 1 back into town, as that was another route I hadn't done and one that my mate said was of interest, but according to the real-time boards the next one wasn't for another twenty one minutes and I thought bugger that, so I stayed on a little bit longer and got off at Twerton Bridge. It's a great route as it don't half get hilly around Odd Down!

The 5 was in the hands of 66881, a usual contender found in brand standard Bath City blue colours. It performed well too, for a 14 year old ex-Manchester bus. Credit where credit is due. I do wonder whether B7RLEs are the best option for the 5? I'm surprised its not Streetlight operation!

I got off in the bus station and wanted a ride on one of the new Solo SRs, which I was expecting to find on the 1. As it happened, it turns out that if I did wait for that 1 at Trowbridge House, I would have been blessed with 53816, so I'm glad I stayed on as far as Twerton Bridge.

Again thanks to my mate he recommended going up on the 6 and back on the 7 and vice versa. In the bus station was 53856 on the 7. I trialled it up to Larkhall. These buses are great and the seat moquette matches the vehicles perfectly, but my goodness they are tiny!! Perfect for such routes though. The 7 does take an interesting couple of narrow roads, especially around St Saviours Church.

My plan was to find a point along the route where the 6 and 7 briefly cross, or somewhere as close to where they cross as possible. As I got off I realised I had another fifteen minutes for the 6, so decided instead to walk down to London Road and get a 3. I'd just missed 32553 of all vehicles which floored it down towards town. An X31 and an X72 of Faresaver turned up, both Enviro 200s, and then 44522 on the 3A turned up, which despite being on time according to both my app and the timetable was only going as far as the station and not Foxhill. There had been a school protesting climate change right through town, so this may have displaced buses and drivers.

All in all a great morning/afternoon. Will plan my next route soon, which I think will involve the 173/174 now we've got some Mendip Explorer-branded B9s!
 

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Dear DanTrainMan
I hope you enjoyed your trip to Bath-you certainly had some variety around the city. Just to say I have not seen any of the new Solos on the 1. Also if you like hill climbs you should stay on a U2 next time up from Twerton to Southdown/Whiteway!
On another note but on a U2 matter, would your friend in the know have any news about 32015 only it seems to have fallen off the radar for about a month?Thanks.
 

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You'll be pleased to know that I finally spread my wings and done a little bit of exploring around Bath today!

I started off doing a return trip up to Odd Down on the 41. This was 35110. My friend was driving so thought why not. The Streetdecks suit the route well and surprisingly seemed to handle Wellsway alright. Although I do think some more permanent fleet should be invested.

After alighting back at Southgate, I then jumped on the U1 for a run up to the university. I was expecting a plum coloured Enviro 400MMC to turn up but my lucky B9 37760 turned up, having a day off X39s. Now for those who have been lurking on here for a while you'll remember that 37760 is my lucky bus for many reasons. I have to say, it climbed Bathwick Hill marvellously and is obviously being looked after, unlike the vast majority of buses at Bath.

I had a nose around the university and noticed that the buses don't half get busy; I dread to think what it's like up there between 4 and 6 o'clock. In the short time I was there, 32637, 10037 and 33944 turned up and all three buses had a queue of around fifty people at a time, so I can see why deckers/bendis and a frequent service is required. It was interesting to compare the service and layout with UWE, where I attended.

I decided to get the U2, which was in the hands of 33943. Believe it or not this was my first time on one of the Unibus E400MMCs; a few weeks ago I'd just missed 33947 on the 19 of all routes in Kingswood. They are very nice vehicles but with only eight of them (admittedly with the B7LAs and ALX400s as back up), I wonder if it's enough? 32551 and 32637 were both operating it too.

My intention was to get off at Trowbridge House and get the 1 back into town, as that was another route I hadn't done and one that my mate said was of interest, but according to the real-time boards the next one wasn't for another twenty one minutes and I thought bugger that, so I stayed on a little bit longer and got off at Twerton Bridge. It's a great route as it don't half get hilly around Odd Down!

The 5 was in the hands of 66881, a usual contender found in brand standard Bath City blue colours. It performed well too, for a 14 year old ex-Manchester bus. Credit where credit is due. I do wonder whether B7RLEs are the best option for the 5? I'm surprised its not Streetlight operation!

I got off in the bus station and wanted a ride on one of the new Solo SRs, which I was expecting to find on the 1. As it happened, it turns out that if I did wait for that 1 at Trowbridge House, I would have been blessed with 53816, so I'm glad I stayed on as far as Twerton Bridge.

Again thanks to my mate he recommended going up on the 6 and back on the 7 and vice versa. In the bus station was 53856 on the 7. I trialled it up to Larkhall. These buses are great and the seat moquette matches the vehicles perfectly, but my goodness they are tiny!! Perfect for such routes though. The 7 does take an interesting couple of narrow roads, especially around St Saviours Church.

My plan was to find a point along the route where the 6 and 7 briefly cross, or somewhere as close to where they cross as possible. As I got off I realised I had another fifteen minutes for the 6, so decided instead to walk down to London Road and get a 3. I'd just missed 32553 of all vehicles which floored it down towards town. An X31 and an X72 of Faresaver turned up, both Enviro 200s, and then 44522 on the 3A turned up, which despite being on time according to both my app and the timetable was only going as far as the station and not Foxhill. There had been a school protesting climate change right through town, so this may have displaced buses and drivers.

All in all a great morning/afternoon. Will plan my next route soon, which I think will involve the 173/174 now we've got some Mendip Explorer-branded B9s!

Glad you had a good day in Bath. I’m not a great fan of the moquette in the Solos (replicated in the Mendip B9s) but that’s personal preference! The 6 and 7 are great routes that open up an almost secret hidden part of Bath.

The 5 did get new StreetLites 47544-50 but they were quickly (i.e. in a fortnight) moved onto the 178/379. Since then, the 5 has benefited from the student accommodation on the LBR so full size vehicles are needed though can be a squeeze round Whiteway.
 
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One of the ex 48/49 branded E400s has gained lettering for Air Connect and is running round on an A2 this evening. Just seen passing through bemmy.
 

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Glad you had a good day in Bath. I’m not a great fan of the moquette in the Solos (replicated in the Mendip B9s) but that’s personal preference! The 6 and 7 are great routes that open up an almost secret hidden part of Bath.

The 5 did get new StreetLites 47544-50 but they were quickly (i.e. in a fortnight) moved onto the 178/379. Since then, the 5 has benefited from the student accommodation on the LBR so full size vehicles are needed though can be a squeeze round Whiteway.
I used to use the 6 occasionally, as an alternative to waiting for the 13/231/272 back when I lived that way, but was always a last resort! The 7 was better for me, but less frequent. Both interesting routes if you havr the time.
I'm with Dan on this one, I really like the moquette as used on the new solos, and on Wells B9s, even if it clashes slightly with the purple back seats on the latter. I still haven't had a chance to try the new solos but look forward to the day. They look great, glad Dan was impressed with them.
 

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I used to use the 6 occasionally, as an alternative to waiting for the 13/231/272 back when I lived that way, but was always a last resort! The 7 was better for me, but less frequent. Both interesting routes if you havr the time.
I'm with Dan on this one, I really like the moquette as used on the new solos, and on Wells B9s, even if it clashes slightly with the purple back seats on the latter. I still haven't had a chance to try the new solos but look forward to the day. They look great, glad Dan was impressed with them.

I accept the moquette looks better on the Solos than the B9s (think it clashes more than slightly) but I prefer the First Kernow choice for new vehicles. Think it looks like some 1970s tube moquette!
 

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