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AlterEgo · 21 May 2019

fowler9 said:
So which side are worse then? The right wingers who have murdered someone or the left wingers who have thrown milkshake over someone? That really isn't splitting hairs is it?

I see we have to wait for someone to be murdered so we can balance the equation...

Throwing milkshakes isn’t okay. If you believe that bad language and speech can incite the sort of violent intent that killed an MP in Batley, then throwing milkshakes is a step further down that road from speech.

If you reasonably call for people to act with restraint with their words then you also need to call out - without any whataboutery - throwing milkshakes over people.

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AlterEgo · 21 May 2019

squizzler said:
At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, if you had been in a Munich beerkellar in the early thirties and a funny chap with a moustache had been holding court and ranting about being stabbed in the back during the great war and how he would make Germany great again, would you castigate anyone who poured his beer on the fellow's head?

If you had no idea he was, or would turn out to be Hitler, yes I would castigate them.

DerekC · 21 May 2019

I absolutely abhor violence but would I have thrown the milk shake if I were in position to do so? I think I might (assuming I was brave enough). To me there's a difference between an action intended to physically hurt someone and one intended to make them look ridiculous. Milk shakes clearly fall into the latter category along with the traditional eggs, which have been a hazard for politicians of all shades for centuries.

I gather kind Mr Farage is pressing charges and the thrower has been charged with common assault, which can carry a sentence of anything between a small fine and six months in jail. If it's a first offence it's usually a fine. Personally, I think community service involving some cleaning up would be about right. Let's see what the magistrate goes for!

DynamicSpirit · 21 May 2019

DerekC said:
I absolutely abhor violence but would I have thrown the milk shake if I were in position to do so? I think I might (assuming I was brave enough). To me there's a difference between an action intended to physically hurt someone and one intended to make them look ridiculous. Milk shakes clearly fall into the latter category along with the traditional eggs, which have been a hazard for politicians of all shades for centuries.

So, next time you're out walking in the street, are you going to throw a milk-shake over a random stranger? And if you do - when you are challenged - will you justify the attack on this random stranger by saying that there's a difference between an action intended to physically hurt someone and one intended to make them look ridiculous?

Esker-pades · 21 May 2019

DynamicSpirit said:
So, next time you're out walking in the street, are you going to throw a milk-shake over a random stranger? And if you do - when you are challenged - will you justify the attack on this random stranger by saying that there's a difference between an action intended to physically hurt someone and one intended to make them look ridiculous?

None of the people who have had milkshakes thrown at them are random people. They are well known public figures.

fowler9 · 21 May 2019

DynamicSpirit said:
So, next time you're out walking in the street, are you going to throw a milk-shake over a random stranger? And if you do - when you are challenged - will you justify the attack on this random stranger by saying that there's a difference between an action intended to physically hurt someone and one intended to make them look ridiculous?

Well for starters when Yaxley-Lennon got milk shaked in Warrington he was already harranging the Asian gentleman in question. As for Farage he is hardly a random member of the public. He is a persistent rabble rouser who takes the money we apparently throw at the EU in exchange for nothing. Probably a waste of an expensive milkshake.

AlterEgo · 21 May 2019

I’m at a total loss to understand how supposedly educated and liberal people are trying their hardest to excuse throwing milkshakes over people they don’t like.

squizzler · 21 May 2019

AlterEgo said:
I’m at a total loss to understand how supposedly educated and liberal people are trying their hardest to excuse throwing milkshakes over people they don’t like.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

Whilst I regard myself as fairly educated and liberal I am willing to accept there might be more to maintaining a tolerant society than just tolerating stuff.

Esker-pades · 21 May 2019

It's quite interesting to compare the actions of people who have been egged/milkshaked. Ed Miliband was egged, took off his jacked, and continued with the interview he was doing. Nigel Farage was milkshaked, and stormed back to his car. Tommy Robinson tried to beat the offender up.

Cowley · 21 May 2019

FelixtheCat said:
It's quite interesting to compare the actions of people who have been egged/milkshaked. Ed Miliband was egged, took off his jacked, and continued with the interview he was doing. Nigel Farage was milkshaked, and stormed back to his car. Tommy Robinson tried to beat the offender up.

John Prescott gave as good as he got...

Geezertronic · 21 May 2019

Not sure why people are comparing the throwing of a milkshake to the senseless murder of Jo Cox or terrorism to be honest as the two (or three) are completely different.

Surely a more fair comparison would be the shouting of abusive words such as the Anna Soubry Nazi taunts. But even that isn't helped by comments from politicians like David Lammy...

fowler9 · 21 May 2019

AlterEgo said:
I’m at a total loss to understand how supposedly educated and liberal people are trying their hardest to excuse throwing milkshakes over people they don’t like.

I am at a total loss to explain why people have decided to leave the EU to get their own back at people who will still be in charge when we leave.

Also as I said the guy in Warrington was being pestered by Yaxley-Lennon.

Esker-pades · 21 May 2019

Cowley said:
John Prescott gave as good as he got...

I'd forgotten about John Prescott!

MidlandsChap · 21 May 2019

squizzler said:
It's so funny reading people equating throwing milkshakes with domestic terrorism. For starters there was no plot, the chap was apparently just walking along the street, drink in hand, when a target of opportunity presented itself.

Terrorism does not have to be premeditated.

cactustwirly · 21 May 2019

MidlandsChap said:
Terrorism does not have to be premeditated.

Are you sure?
I'm sure that the legal definition will have something about intent

nlogax · 21 May 2019

TM's about to start her umpteenth (and final) attempt at getting the Withdrawal Agreement to pass, beginning with this speech. Today's backdrop slogan is "seeking common ground in parliament" which is the least enthusiastic and most telling aspect of where her mind's at with this whole charade. In the unlikely event of there being another round of this guff, that will change to "trying not to tell cabinet members to **** off" or "staying relatively calm in spite of these idiots"

AlterEgo · 21 May 2019

fowler9 said:
I am at a total loss to explain why people have decided to leave the EU to get their own back at people who will still be in charge when we leave.

That has literally nothing to do with the idea of it being okay to throw milkshake on someone because you don’t like them.

AlterEgo · 21 May 2019

squizzler said:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

Whilst I regard myself as fairly educated and liberal I am willing to accept there might be more to maintaining a tolerant society than just tolerating stuff.

I doubt a tolerant society involves throwing milkshakes.

Imagine wheeling out a quote of such gravity to justify throwing a milkshake over someone you disagree with, though!

Howardh · 21 May 2019

Did May just say that if the Bill is passed there will be a HoC vote on whether to have a referendum on it?? Wow....

Which would come first, the vote on the referendum or passing the bill as I don't wnat it passed and then the 2nd ref gets turned down.

nlogax · 21 May 2019

Howardh said:
Which would come first, the vote on the referendum or passing the bill as I don't wnat it passed and then the 2nd ref gets turned down.

She says the revised WAB will contain an agreement to vote for or against a second referendum. And then in the next breath she says by not voting for the WAB there is a risk of.. a second referendum.

Pub I think.

Esker-pades · 21 May 2019

Howardh said:
Did May just say that if the Bill is passed there will be a HoC vote on whether to have a referendum on it?? Wow....

Which would come first, the vote on the referendum or passing the bill as I don't wnat it passed and then the 2nd ref gets turned down.

That's pretty much what she wants to happen though. A vote on a referendum will happen if her deal gets through parliament.

Senex · 21 May 2019

nlogax said:
TM's about to start her umpteenth (and final) attempt at getting the Withdrawal Agreement to pass, beginning with this speech. Today's backdrop slogan is "seeking common ground in parliament" which is the least enthusiastic and most telling aspect of where her mind's at with this whole charade. In the unlikely event of there being another round of this guff, that will change to "trying not to tell cabinet members to **** off" or "staying relatively calm in spite of these idiots"

She's had almost three years to seek common ground within parliament and with the exception of the talks in the last couple of months just with the Labour Party she's made no attempt whatsoever to seek any common ground except with her own right wing. It's a bit late to be trying now, just when her only concern is her "legacy", isn't it? Maybe if she had started out seeking common ground in parliament right from the start (and when she still had Cameron's majority) she might just have achieved a Brexit with some measure of honour.

Howardh · 21 May 2019

Looks like the Tory die-hards aren't convinced....and if she can't win over Labour (a lot of the proposals on worker's right, frictionless trade etc etc will remain if we stayed in the Eu of course..hint to Labour) then the Bill fails and then it's no-deal or revocation, and I wouldn't bet against May revoking A50 and then resigning. Pique??

fowler9 · 21 May 2019

MidlandsChap said:
Terrorism does not have to be premeditated.

I'm pretty sure it does.

fowler9 · 21 May 2019

AlterEgo said:
That has literally nothing to do with the idea of it being okay to throw milkshake on someone because you don’t like them.

It is nothing to do with disliking Nigel Farage, it is to do with his views. Maybe I would get on with him despite his views. Being "literal" has nothing to do with it. It just makes you sound like Clarkson.

squizzler · 21 May 2019

AlterEgo said:
I doubt a tolerant society involves throwing milkshakes.

Imagine wheeling out a quote of such gravity to justify throwing a milkshake over someone you disagree with, though!

The quote does not warn good men (nor presumably women or non binary) against doing stuff that might be regarded as petulant or hurtful to wrongdoers, it warns of the dangers of doing nothing.

I'm sure if the fellow concerned merely wanted to throw a drink at somebody opposed to Britain's continued EU membership he could have done so much more easily elsewhere. This politician on the other hand is regarded by many as toxic to the norms of British democratic discourse.

AM9 · 21 May 2019

fowler9 said:
I'm pretty sure it does.

There has to be pre-meditation otherwise it is merely a random act of violence. I don't think that somebody is overcome with spontaneous support of a type of cause that would include terrorist acts in its strategy at the precise time of commiting an act of violence.

superkev · 21 May 2019

Although of course I cant condone throwing milkshakes or the more usual eggs or anything else at politicians I wonder if Farage and his supporters would care to visit Scunthorpe, Solihull (Land rover), Swindon (Honda), Sunderland etc. I'm sure they would get a big welcome.
Strange how people throughout history have been hoodwinked by politicians with charisma and good auditory skills rather than actual administrive talent
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AlterEgo · 21 May 2019

fowler9 said:
It is nothing to do with disliking Nigel Farage, it is to do with his views. Maybe I would get on with him despite his views. Being "literal" has nothing to do with it. It just makes you sound like Clarkson.

So just to confirm, it’s okay to throw a milkshake over someone with whom you profoundly disagree?

Do check your own post history before playing semantics with the word “literally”.

fowler9 · 21 May 2019

AlterEgo said:
So just to confirm, it’s okay to throw a milkshake over someone with whom you profoundly disagree?

Do check your own post history before playing semantics with the word “literally”.

Just to confirm, it isn't nice, I wouldn't do it myself, but it doesn't bother me. I find you checking my posting history more concerning. That is where we get on to obsessives killing people. I actually do feel really uncomfortable at the thought of you checking what I post.

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