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Why is Birmingham so unloved?

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Typhoon

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To be fair, Noddy and co. will be very happy this evening due to Wolves qualifying for European football next season, so they’d let you off :D
I think you've hit on a good point here. Not only have Wolves qualified for Europe but Brum's teams are (currently) both in the Championship. Contrast this with Manchester and Liverpool - European games year after year and a following across the country (one team famous for it), partly earnt by their success. Meanwhile one of Villa's 'celebrity' fans (politician) appears to have disowned them.
 
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the lack of decent drinking establishments

You could start with The Wellington Bar, a specialist real ale pub less than 5 minutes from New Street Station, with usually at least 15 beers on tap, mostly specialist ones that you have never heard of, including the splendidly named Piffle Snonker.

https://www.thewellingtonrealale.co.uk/
 

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You could start with The Wellington Bar, a specialist real ale pub less than 5 minutes from New Street Station, with usually at least 15 beers on tap, mostly specialist ones that you have never heard of, including the splendidly named Piffle Snonker.

https://www.thewellingtonrealale.co.uk/

I've been there, and it is the best pub I've found in Birmingham so far, it is a good pub but it didn't seem anything special.
 

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Not Birmingham itself but the worse town or city in the West Midlands is Coleshill!

Wouldn’t miss it if it got nuked!
 

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Not Birmingham itself but the worse town or city in the West Midlands is Coleshill!

Wouldn’t miss it if it got nuked!
Is it even a town? I always think of it as just one more of those annoying small stations between Birmingham and Leicester.
 

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Is it even a town? I always think of it as just one more of those annoying small stations between Birmingham and Leicester.

It certainly is a town, has a population of 6,481 though so quite small.
 

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6,400 is just a big village unless it is in the middle of nowhere!
 

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If you think Birmingham is unloved, take a trip up to Wolverhampton. Makes Birmingham look like Los Angeles.
 

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Meanwhile one of Villa's 'celebrity' fans (politician) appears to have disowned them.

The one that's spent the last three years hiding in a shed and can't remember at any given time which team that plays in claret and blue he supports? I think they're better off without him.

It's completely, 100% unfair but I do think a lot of the negative perception of Birmingham comes from the accent. People with a heavy Birmingham (or more realistically, black country) accent do, to the rest of us, sound a bit stupid. I'm no expert on regional French accents, but apparently the Marseilles accent has the same effect on people from other areas of France.

And I'll empahasise that I certainly don't judge the city as a whole on that - I've only made brief visits (and not for about 10 years probably other than changing trains there) but it has some fantastic architecture (St Phillips cathedral and most of the surrounding buildings are lovely) and generally strikes me as a very livable place.
 

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The one that's spent the last three years hiding in a shed and can't remember at any given time which team that plays in claret and blue he supports? I think they're better off without him.
That's the one - the man whose uncle was chairman of Villa for three years.
 

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It's completely, 100% unfair but I do think a lot of the negative perception of Birmingham comes from the accent. People with a heavy Birmingham (or more realistically, black country) accent do, to the rest of us, sound a bit stupid.

There is something in it about the Birmingham accent, particularly the east side. South / SW Birmingham accents are more industrial, north Birmingham a little more refined. Black Country accents are quite different*, much less drawly, quicker and frankly better. We’em tellin yow.

* In the same way as Geordie and Mackem is different, or Leeds and Bratford, or Norwich and Upswuch.
 

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north Birmingham a little more refined.
You have to go a fair way north, there is nothing refined about the likes of Aston, Witton, Erdington, Stocko, even Perry Barr. I hope you were not referring to the gentlefolk of Sutton Coldfield, the very thought of being associated with Brum ...
 

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You have to go a fair way north, there is nothing refined about the likes of Aston, Witton, Erdington, Stocko, even Perry Barr. I hope you were not referring to the gentlefolk of Sutton Coldfield, the very thought of being associated with Brum ...

North of Six Ways, which in estate agents’ terms is ‘Sutton Coldfield Borders’. (And in a remarkable coincidence, where I used to live).
 

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There is a general perception of Birmingham that is largely based on myth. For instance, the accent - many Brummies speak with little or no accent, but the stereotype remains.

I don't think it helps that there has never been a music movement based in Birmingham to give it a boost (unlike the Mersey Beat and Madchester as well as Sheffield).

Indeed most people confuse the Black Country accent with the Brummie. Brummie is soft, with flattened vowels and slightly nasal, whereas Black Country is much stronger.
 
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