CrossCountry HST Diagrams

class 9 · 13 May 2019

That is a decision that is in the hands of the DFT not XCs unfortunately.

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Apedlar12 · 19 May 2019

Does anyone know what the new diagrams for the summer are starting next Saturday?

Thunderer · 20 May 2019

Apedlar12 said:
Does anyone know what the new diagrams for the summer are starting next Saturday?

06:11 Leeds-Paignton then 12:33 Paignton-Glasgow
07:07 Edinburgh-Paignton then 16:40 Paignton-Leeds
07:45 York-Penzance then 16:30 Penzance-Leeds
09:00 Glasgow-Penzance

221129 · 20 May 2019

Thunderer said:
06:11 Leeds-Paignton then 12:33 Paignton-Glasgow
07:07 Edinburgh-Paignton then 16:40 Paignton-Leeds
07:45 York-Penzance then 16:30 Penzance-Leeds
09:00 Glasgow-Penzance

Nearly right...

1V44 0611 LDS PGN /1S51 1233 PGN GLC
1V48 0745 YRK PNZ /1E75 1640 PNZ LDS
1V52 0707 EDB PGN /1E67 1640 PGN LDS
1D00 0727 EDB GLC /1V58 0900 GLC PNZ /2C80 2130 PNZ PLY

Thunderer · 20 May 2019

221129 said:
Nearly right...

1V44 0611 LDS PGN /1S51 1233 PGN GLC
1V48 0745 YRK PNZ /1E75 1640 PNZ LDS
1V52 0707 EDB PGN /1E67 1640 PGN LDS
1D00 0727 EDB GLC /1V58 0900 GLC PNZ /2C80 2130 PNZ PLY

Im also told the 09:40 Newquay to Dundee is HST as well, but Im not sure that can be right as XC would then have all 5 HST's in use at once?

sufian123 · 20 May 2019

Thunderer said:
Im also told the 09:40 Newquay to Dundee is HST as well, but Im not sure that can be right as XC would then have all 5 HST's in use at once?

No that’s a voyager since last summer. 0900 Glasgow-Penzance is. HST on its behalf.

Railperf · 20 May 2019

Any chance XC will take on some of the spare HSTs?

sufian123 · 20 May 2019

Railperf said:
Any chance XC will take on some of the spare HSTs?

I’m sure XC wants some. It’s up toDFT to grand them.

221129 · 20 May 2019

It's not.

221129 · 20 May 2019

Thunderer said:
Im also told the 09:40 Newquay to Dundee is HST as well, but Im not sure that can be right as XC would then have all 5 HST's in use at once?

It's not. It'll be a Voyager.

Jamesrob637 · 20 May 2019

221129 said:
Nearly right...

1V44 0611 LDS PGN /1S51 1233 PGN GLC
1V48 0745 YRK PNZ /1E75 1640 PNZ LDS
1V52 0707 EDB PGN /1E67 1640 PGN LDS
1D00 0727 EDB GLC /1V58 0900 GLC PNZ /2C80 2130 PNZ PLY

So Plymouth loses its 12:XX and 16:XX departures to the North on Summer Saturdays. I think that's better than previous years though - I swear in the early-2000s Plymouth had more 2-hour or even some 3-hour gaps between northbound XC departures.

However, those Paignton HSTs may be better off as double Voyagers - you could split them at Exeter; one to Paignton and one to Plymouth, and do the reverse on the way back up. Then Plymouth keeps its hourly XC and Paignton still gets some sort of XC.

221129 · 20 May 2019

Jamesrob637 said:
So Plymouth loses its 12:XX and 16:XX departures to the North on Summer Saturdays. I think that's better than previous years though - I swear in the early-2000s Plymouth had more 2-hour or even some 3-hour gaps between northbound XC departures.

However, those Paignton HSTs may be better off as double Voyagers - you could split them at Exeter; one to Paignton and one to Plymouth, and do the reverse on the way back up. Then Plymouth keeps its hourly XC and Paignton still gets some sort of XC.

It's been the same for years.

The_Train · 20 May 2019

Hi guys, can anyone confirm if there Friday HST workings are still correct please:

Friday

1V50 EDB 0606 - BHM 1109a / 1117d - PLY 1443
1V44 LDS 0611 - BHM 0808a / 0812d - PLY 1144
1V54 DEE 0632 - BHM 1308a / 1317d - PLY 1645

1S51 PLY 1225 - BHM 1556a / 1603d - GLC 2221
1E63 PLY 1525 - BHM 1856a / 1903d - LDS 2102
1E73 PLY 1725 - BHM 2051a / 2103d - LDS 2307

221129 · 20 May 2019

Friday's up until 06/09/2019 are as follows.

1V44/1S51
1C09/1S49
1V50/1E63
1V54/1E73

The_Train · 20 May 2019

221129 said:
Friday's up until 06/09/2019 are as follows.

1V44/1S51
1C09/1S49
1V50/1E63
1V54/1E73

Thanks for that. It's 1V44 and 1E73 that I'm interested in so that's great

43055 · 20 May 2019

Can someone check if these diagrams are correct. I know Friday and Saturday are correct from previous posts.

Mag_seven · 20 May 2019

Railperf said:
Any chance XC will take on some of the spare HSTs?

See this thread:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...untry-took-some-of-the-redundant-hsts.167493/

sufian123 · 21 May 2019

43055 said:
Can someone check if these diagrams are correct. I know Friday and Saturday are correct from previous posts.
View attachment 63304

That seems correct. Monday’s 0632 Dundee-Plymouth will be HST, wasn’t today. It showing from 17th June should be.

43055 · 21 May 2019

sufian123 said:
That seems correct. Monday’s 0632 Dundee-Plymouth will be HST, wasn’t today. It showing from 17th June should be.

Thank you for confirming.

tramfan208 · 22 May 2019

Hi guys, first post on the forum so please be gentle .

I’m trying to book onto 1V64 1307 Edinburgh- Plymouth on Fri 2nd Aug. It’s showing as timed for HST for this date on Real Time Trains, but recent posts on this thread contradict this.

Do we disregard Real Time Trains as a rule and go with forum members advice? I’m in two minds as to what to do

221129 · 22 May 2019

tramfan208 said:
Hi guys, first post on the forum so please be gentle .

I’m trying to book onto 1V64 1307 Edinburgh- Plymouth on Fri 2nd Aug. It’s showing as timed for HST for this date on Real Time Trains, but recent posts on this thread contradict this.

Do we disregard Real Time Trains as a rule and go with forum members advice? I’m in two minds as to what to do

It's not diagrammed for a HST on that date.

tramfan208 · 22 May 2019

221129 said:
It's not diagrammed for a HST on that date.

Thanks for clarification. You’ve saved me a lot of money and disappointment!

sufian123 · 22 May 2019

tramfan208 said:
Hi guys, first post on the forum so please be gentle .

I’m trying to book onto 1V64 1307 Edinburgh- Plymouth on Fri 2nd Aug. It’s showing as timed for HST for this date on Real Time Trains, but recent posts on this thread contradict this.

Do we disregard Real Time Trains as a rule and go with forum members advice? I’m in two minds as to what to do

It’s not HST in the summer fridays

swt_passenger · 22 May 2019

tramfan208 said:
Hi guys, first post on the forum so please be gentle .

I’m trying to book onto 1V64 1307 Edinburgh- Plymouth on Fri 2nd Aug. It’s showing as timed for HST for this date on Real Time Trains, but recent posts on this thread contradict this.

Do we disregard Real Time Trains as a rule and go with forum members advice? I’m in two minds as to what to do

In the more general case, Realtimetrains shows what the service is timed for when the planners set up the working timetable. It’s called the “timing load”, and I’d read it as “this, or anything else you have available that can reliably meet this schedule”.

Clearly in the case of XC’s long distance routes there’s only a choice of Voyager or HST, but for a random local TOC they might have numerous options for a slower speed service which RTT might for example show as “75 mph DMU”...

tramfan208 · 22 May 2019

swt_passenger said:
In the more general case, Realtimetrains shows what the service is timed for when the planners set up the working timetable. It’s called the “timing load”, and I’d read it as “this, or anything else you have available that can reliably meet this schedule”.

Clearly in the case of XC’s long distance routes there’s only a choice of Voyager or HST, but for a random local TOC they might have numerous options for a slower speed service which RTT might for example show as “75 mph DMU”...

Ok, so for the planners it’s a sort of ‘worse case’ scenario in terms of timing load - if they path it for an HST and a voyager operates it, it will still keep to time?

swt_passenger · 22 May 2019

tramfan208 said:
Ok, so for the planners it’s a sort of ‘worse case’ scenario in terms of timing load - if they path it for an HST and a voyager operates it, it will still keep to time?

Yes, basically, but not the other way round.

ScotRail158725 · 24 May 2019

A bit off topic here, but do any of you know if there are any unrefurbished XC HST sets?

Railperf · 24 May 2019

tramfan208 said:
Ok, so for the planners it’s a sort of ‘worse case’ scenario in terms of timing load - if they path it for an HST and a voyager operates it, it will still keep to time?

That depends on the HST formation. A 2+5 or 2+6 shouldn't have any problems. Saying that a 7 woildn'y be far behind. And there is plenty of padding in the timetable. It isn't the most demanding in the UK.

43055 · 24 May 2019

ScotRail158725 said:
A bit off topic here, but do any of you know if there are any unrefurbished XC HST sets?

Two sets are left. XC02 and XC05 if I remember correctly. One is currently on the 0632 Dundee to Plymouth.

swt_passenger · 24 May 2019

Railperf said:
That depends on the HST formation. A 2+5 or 2+6 shouldn't have any problems. Saying that a 7 woildn'y be far behind. And there is plenty of padding in the timetable. It isn't the most demanding in the UK.

You didn’t answer the question posed. The poster was clearly asking if a Voyager could keep to the HST timings, not the other way round...

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